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Wednesday, February 10 2010 - 01:18 AM
Human Relations Task Force Condemns City Officials Actions while city emails appear on local blog
By Chris McGuinness
Lancaster — The Antelope Valley Human Relations Task Force met on Monday to discuss the remarks made by Mayor Parris during his “State of the City Address” in which he proclaimed he would “grow a Christian Community”. The other item was that of comments made by Sherry Marquez, a Lancaster City Councilwoman who according to reports wrote derogatory remarks about the Muslim faith which some took as “hate speech” on her personal “Facebook”.
The Task Force met on Monday as scheduled and included forty members who voted unanimously to condemn the remarks by both Parris and Marquez. The Task Force stated that they would send a “strong” letter to the city and those involved condemning their remarks and subsequent actions.
Along with Task Force members meeting and discussing the events in questions, emails surfaced that appear to have come directly from the Lancaster Mayor’s office and the Lancaster City Managers office.
The emails were posted to a local blog website and appeared to be placed onto the website by a blogger proclaiming to be a Parris supporter. The blog was called, “Christianity is now a Hate Crime”. The emails appeared to have been written by Mayor Parris and City Manager Mark Bozigian and addressed directly to Mr. Darren Parker, President of the Antelope Valley Human Relations Task Force. The emails detailed Mayor Parris challenging the authority of the Task Force as well as it’s president Mr. Parker.
One email, appeared to have been written by Mark Bozigian in which he stated he was writing the email from his home, also questioned the credibility of the Task Force and it’s authority to investigate the remarks by the Mayor and city Councilwoman. The email also called into question Mr. Parker’s alleged statement that Lancaster was a “Hate Capitol” and at one point states, “your response will in large part shape my recommendation to the City Council as to the City’s future relationship with AVHRTF.”
The AVNEWS interviewed Mr. Parker Tuesday who stood behind the decision of the Task Force saying that 40 members went to the task force meeting and voted unanimously to “censure” Mayor Parris and Councilwoman Marquez. In reference to the unanimous decision, Mr. Parker stated “it was not an individual effort….it was the communities collective effort”.
When asked about the emails being posted to a local blog site, Mr. Parker stated that he had nothing to do with the emails and said "subsequently, for me to see that (the emails) on the blogs. I was blown away, No officer of the Task Force sent those out.”
When asked about the legitimacy of the Task Force Mr. Parker stated "“I actually have an email statement from the Executive Director and the President of the Human Relations Commission that clearly defines the Task Force and their involvement in its creation and the special relationship we have with the Human Relations Commission.” Mr. Parker went on to say that the Task Force was formed in 1996 at the direction of The Los Angeles County Board of Supervisors.
“The leadership of Lancaster was not around when this Task Force was formed and I think that they contested it because it was uncomfortable. Now they should fully understand by the paper (Valley Press) this morning and letter subsequently sent by the commission that in fact we are an independent entity that they can’t control…the only ones who can control it are the members of the body", Parker said.
“The Executive Director and President of the Los Angeles County Human Relations Commission knew all about the meeting before hand. They sent staff to the meeting as well.” Parker added.
When asked about one email that seemed to ask for the personal information on Task Force members by Mayor Parris, Parker stated, “Its been a longstanding policy of the Task Force that the officers information is available, but for the members the information can only be obtained from each individual member… We would not compromise any organization without their consent.”
Responding to comments as to Parker labeling Lancaster as a “hate capitol” Parker claimed he was misquoted by Mayor Parris saying, "that was misquoted from the New Yorker almost ten years ago…my comments toward that were that someone asked me when the (Marquez) incident first broke if I thought Lancaster was going back to becoming the ‘Hate Crime Capital’ and I said absolutely not.”
“He (Parris) took it out of context. He only took the part he wanted to question me on", Parker added
Parker went on to say that this is the first time such questions about the credibility and authority of the Task Force have been raised by the city of Lancaster.
Parker stated that he believes politics played a roll in the emails and their release to the blog site and stated that, "clearly my personal opinion is that those were politically motivated questions that were being asked in the emails, these questions (emails) were to try and discredit the Task Force in an effort, I feel, that was motivated by politics.”
When shown copies of the emails Mr. Parker identified them as emails he had received from Lancaster Mayor Parris and Lancaster City Manager Mark Bozigian. Parker was quick to point out that "I specifically answered each of his concerns in detail.” As to format and authority Parker said "we always followed the Brown Act because we were trained and developed by a government entity to serve the public.”
“Transparency is crucial…if we hadn’t been transparent we wouldn’t’ have lasted ten years", Parker added.
When shown an email allegedly written by City Manager Mark Bozigian and his concerns within the email, Parker stated, "I think his (Mark Bozigian) main concern is the reputation and image of the city, and I agree. But to blow smoke over what the reality is does not help the city at all. It actually hurts the city.”
“I know his heart was sincere. I believe there was a tremendous amount of pressure from who he reports to”, Parker added.
“Usually people who victimize, once you turn the light on them they try to turn it back on the victims and in this case that’s what they did.”
Prior to the meeting of the Task Force, Parker stated that he attempted to contact Mayor Parris and even spoke with City Manager Mark Bozigian in attempts to have Mayor Parris and Councilwoman Marquez speak to him in reference to the statements in question and that he never heard from “anyone”. “I asked him (Bozigian) to leave a message to the Mayor to let him know I wanted to talk with him before any of this (Task Force Meeting) would happen", Parker said.
However, in the email allegedly written by City Manager Mark Bozigian it states, “my questions are: Did you attempt to have a discussion with either Sherry or Rex regarding your concerns prior to your public comments or prior to convening a AVHRTF “emergency meeting?” and have you reported your concerns and knowledge of “harmful threats” to the Lancaster or Palmdale Sheriff’s stations?”
This would indicate that the writer was attempting to find out if Mr. Parker had made attempts to speak to Parris or Marquez, prior to the meeting.
Following our interview with Mr. Parker, Lancaster officials told AVNEWS that the emails were not “leaked”, but that the Mayor, "cc’d that e-mail to a number of media
organizations. Thus, it was not “leaked.”
However, AVNEWS has (4) emails, two written by the Mayor, one written by Mr. Parker, and one written by City Manager Mark Bozigian that had all been placed onto the local blogs.
Once called into question, the emails were abruptly removed off of the website only to reappear Tuesday afternoon.
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SantaTaco says...
Ooh, they’re (the task force) gonna send a strong letter, that’ll get ’em. What a joke for these people (the task force) to pretend they have any kind of power over anything. Completely laughable!
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marino says...
Why did Parris apologize? Anyone have the exact quote?
Did someone get offended? Poor baby.
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A V Observer says...
Ledford and Rodio sure put Rex away. He was disgraced with a front page picture of him standing among religious leaders of every faith and all of them saying how much they love and respect him. Next to this is a picture of the angry mob at AV Mental Health and even there people are saying how much they love him. Yep! Rodio sure won the election with this one. Poor Rex is going to have to read a strong letter from the (drum roll) PARKER COMMISSION. Rex might as well just resign.
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lancaster says...
AVO
u truly believe the people of the valley are that stupid?
maybe u should step away from the crack pipe!
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hobojunction says...
Wow…I guess all of this will simply be forgotten in the next 60 days and everyone will just chaulk it up to a terrible slip of the tounge by TRex, I mean, why wouldnt they, with ole TRex’s track record being as shinny as it is.
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A V Observer says...
I guess your right. Arnie must be killing Rex with the voters. Did you know his Dad put in flood control 20 years ago.
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hobojunction says...
Wow…you’re one smart dude AVO..did you know I really dont care what his daddy did? Matter of fact, I dont care what junior does neither.
Now, run along and tell your daddy you didnt get no place with us non Christians…k?
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lancaster says...
i would never of thunk they were this ridicules.
gosh gee, everyone at BOTH meetings just LUVVVVV and respect him??
how could it be anything but….
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lancaster says...
lets hope the people of lancaster prove that they’re not that stupid.
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ragman says...
If Obama can get away with the crap he says and does then so can Rex this to shall pass. At least he doesn’t call terrorist those folks like the micromanager desguised and a leader Obama does.
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Larry Grover says...
Let’s see if I can follow this fractured line of thought. The mayor poses for a photo op with his hand picked crop of “religious leaders”, and politcal cronies and now everythings ok? oh, nevermind!
And somehow Rex isn’t responsible for his indiscretion, Rodio and Ledford are? WTF?
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Randy Hall says...
He apologized what do you want him to resign? Have you perfected walking on water yet? A Christian thing to do is forgive. Unless your religion doesn’t forgive anyone.
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Denise_Latanzi says...
Hmmm, I did not hear him apologize to Mayor Ledford or the many from the local community that came out to a local Mosque to protest her assertion that they all supported "beheadings and honor killings only to have the mayor himself call them terrorist sympathizers on Los Angeles news stations several times, and over and over again on this blog using various usernames.
No one has heard him apologize for calling local civic and religious leaders “opponents looking for 15 minutes of fame” all over the news and radio, even though he has now admitted what he said was wrong and divisive.
How about people start taking his “apologies” seriously when he stops saying things that make them necessary.
Let’s face facts- The Mayor ONLY apologized when he found that even Christian leaders here have issues with people being singled out as “bad” for reasons of religion. Most Christians are NOT fundamentalists who believe that they have to convert, kill or marginalize other people of faiths. It’s just not biblical.
It is kind of funny though that after 10 days of stirring things up, going on the news to announce he “had nothing to apologize for” and making all sorts of wild allegations about local Muslim’s, that he in fact backed down.. again.
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marino says...
Parris owes nobody any apology. Muslims need to denounce Islamic nutjobs.
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lancaster says...
catholics need to denounce pedophile priest and catholic hierarchy that protects them!
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marino says...
.“Islam won’t get blamed for anything in Europe, no matter what happens.”
This guy makes excellent points.
lancaster says...
catholics need to denounce pedophile priest and the catholic hierarchy that protects them!
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marino says...
That to, Lanc, That to. What did you think of the video?
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marino says...
Hey, Lanc, Plenty more rapes going on in Muslim countries, It’s basically legal there. Matter of fact, in many Muslim countries, if you are raped, you need 4 male witnesses to prove it. You should be defending women that are treated like crap.
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lancaster says...
u told me at one time that u didn’t belong to a church that abused children.
i’m glad to see u change ur mind. but i still haven’t heard u denounce em’.
what i do see is u ask those to do what u were unwilling to do.
once again there isn’t ONE person here that supports islamic extremist.
and i’ll renounce ANY religion that try’s to force their beliefs on me!
islam, baptist, catholic, wiccan, etc etc etc
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marino says...
You don’t support it. You just don’t speak out against it.
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marino says...
And it’s not just you, Lanc. It’s most of the world that stick their head in the sand when it comes to radical Islam. Radical Islam is currently the world’s biggest threat, yet people pander to it. They don’t want to speak out against it for fear of being accused of being a racist or Islamophobe, mostly by those ver same Islamic radicals.
Case in point here in Lancaster—CAIR. Financially supported by terrorists.
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lancaster says...
Paul Chappell received an honorary degree from Trinity Baptist College in Jacksonville, Florida. That’s the college founded by Bob Gray, who was arrested on multiple charges of child molestation. Gray died just a few days before his trial was set to begin. Chappell, the man who wants to protect the children of Lancaster, to my knowledge, has not commented in public about the situation concerning his late friend.
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lancaster says...
sherry and lil rex didn’t attack cair.
they attacked our local muslim neighbors,
that as far as i know, haven’t threatened my way of life like the extremist at LBC!
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mattkeltner says...
marino: “Hey, Lanc, Plenty more rapes going on in Muslim countries, It’s basically legal there. Matter of fact, in many Muslim countries, if you are raped, you need 4 male witnesses to prove it. You should be defending women that are treated like crap. ”
Male-to-female rape in Islamic societies is almost nonexistent due to cultural norms that place women under the protection and jurisdiction of her husband, in some sense, she is essentially his property. So, from that angle, to defile a man’s wife or daughter is seen as disrespectful to him personally.
The “rape” that does occurr is usually between older men and younger men. Outside of that, many Middle Eastern men travel to Europe, to Amsterdam or Paris usually, to visit female prostitutes.
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marino says...
Well then you bag on the LBC and I’ll bag on Islamic maniacs.
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Ray Cunneff says...
marino,
America is not Europe. And all Muslims are not part of radical Islam. For example, our mutual friend, Amir Raheem, is a Muslim. Yet you’ll never find a more patriotic American.
America is a nation of immigrants, the international melting pot, and that diversity has been the source of our strength as a nation from its very beginning. To demonize all Muslims, particularly American Muslims, as part of radical Islam is worse than racist, it’s un-American.
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mattkeltner says...
lancaster: “Paul Chappell received an honorary degree from Trinity Baptist College in Jacksonville, Florida.”
So, in other words, he didn’t earn that degree, it was bestowed upon him — probably for a “small” donation, no doubt.
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Randy Hall says...
You are right Denise, the Mayor apologized to anyone he offended. If you think Jim Ledford wasn’t offended, I’m glad you give him that strenght. Imgaine words harming someone’s feelings. Would you really want them to be your Mayor?
BTW, child rape is evil and awful in in anyform. I don’t support the Cardinal’s efforts in his special missions exactly because he should be defrocked! I’ve not supported his pet charities for years now.
But since eveyone knows more school teachers rape more kids than Catholic Priests let’s here how we pull funding from them.
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marino says...
Matt: “Male to female rape in Islamic countries it almost non-existant due to cultural norms that place women under current protection and jurisdiction of her husband.”
Sheik Muhammad Al-Munajid, Iraqi TV: “They (The West) claim that if he (husband) has sex with her (wife) against her will, this is rape! They consider this rape. They claim she must be willing. They claim she must want it.”
Scully says...
I wonder how many priests there are per capita versus teachers. Just wondering.
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marino says...
I could post hundreds of sources of rapes in Islamic countries where the men never get convicted. Rape of women and children. Often if the women report it, they are imprisoned.
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marino says...
I wonder how many Islamic radicals have murdered compared to priests. Just wondering.
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Randy Hall says...
Scully I understand the point you are making but to tarnish the reputation of The Church due to some bad priests like miss lancaster does is why I point out the truth that school teachers rape more kids.
Everyone knows according to FBI statistics that whites commit more crimes than blacks but as a percentage black commit more crime per person.
I was simply shoving missy point back in her “fat, old, ugly” face.
Do you understand why I made that point Scully?
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Scully says...
I kind of sort of get it. I guess I’m a little more put off by Marino.
Pat Robertson said that the earthquake in Haiti was caused by the voodoo past of the inhabitants. I haven’t heard Paul Chappell denounce them. Isn’t marino mad at Paul Chappell for not actively denouncing Pat Robertson? Where is his outrage?
And yet, he gets mad because Muslims don’t denounce every video that he happens to find on YouTube, especially when he wants them to.
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whomeye says...
scully, i don’t listen to robertson, but i believe he was referring to an old legend which many like myself know of.
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Ray Cunneff says...
I get uneasy when people say things like “everyone knows”.
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Randy Hall says...
Ray glad you picked up on that. I learned it from Obama. Everyone knows man made global warming is a major threat to our survival. It should make you uneasy.
You Ray are the first to pick up on that. Impressive.
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Ray Cunneff says...
It’s an old debater’s trick, to make something that is not necessarily “common knowledge” appear to be “common knowledge”.
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Randy Hall says...
Another thing Scully, everyone is offended by Lancaster Mayor’s remark that we are a growing Christian community.
Makes you wonder if those offended ever had their mother teach them the sticks and stones parable. You know it. Sticks and stones may break by bones but words will never hurt me.
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Ray Cunneff says...
The parable is incomplete. “Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me – physically”. But words can and do hurt.
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Ray Cunneff says...
Have you forgotten “the pen is mightier than the sword”?
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whomeye says...
ray, if you’re referring to my comment, look it up in google. try “haiti making a deal with the devil”.
…and I NEVER said “everyone knows”, i said many do
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whomeye says...
i just found this in washington post:
UPDATE: In a statement on its Web site, the Christian Broadcasting Network said Robertson was speaking objectively about Haiti’s history that has led "countless scholars and religious figures over the centuries to believe the country is cursed: “Dr. Robertson never stated that the earthquake was God’s wrath,” the statement reads. “If you watch the entire video segment, Dr. Robertson’s compassion for the people of Haiti is clear.”
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Scully says...
I guess Marino approves of Pat Robertson’s statement because he hasn’t denounced it.
And Randy, you are correct. Not everyone was offended by Rex’ comments. I think it is fair to say that there were a few people who were dismayed by it, including a bunch of Rex’ supporters.
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whomeye says...
http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/onfaith/undergod/2010/01/haiti_the_devil_and_pat_roberton.html
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Scully says...
Oh. Maybe there is SOME CONTEXT to the statement! Imagine that! Someone actually examining the whole statement to put it in context!
Isn’t that what some of the Muslims have been trying to do regarding some of the Koran’s statements?
No, it’s much easier to hate THE OTHER.
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PKShaw says...
To be more precise, the line is “names” will never hurt me.
But the bigger point is that words have meaning and it’s the meaning behind the words that does indeed hurt.
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Randy Hall says...
The only way a word can hurt you is if you give it power over you.
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Harding Republican says...
Randy, what you’re saying may apply in the schoolyard, but in real life, words are used to marginalize groups of people. Calling a grown man “boy” in the Deep South had tremendous power whether or not the person to whom it was said “allowed” it to have power over him. It’s not like you can say, “this power doesn’t impact me.” You can stand in a tornado and say, “it will not affect me,” but you will still get blown away.
Words may not have power over you, but they has power over many others. That’s where the problem lies.
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Harding Republican says...
Basically, words can hurt you if those words have power over other people who can then hurt you.
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Randy Hall says...
I do find it sad if you are not comfortable with yourself that you can allow words such power to harm you. It is an amazing amount of power a person gives to another.
The “boy” example if you called that name to someone that felt comfortable and didn’t wear their heart on their sleeve the reference would lose its power to harm.
Schoolyard is appropriate, we need to grow up!
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Harding Republican says...
Randy, read your history books. Emmitt Till didn’t act properly (according to the local whites) in Mississippi and they killed him for it. Perhaps he told them, “your words can’t hurt me,” so they killed him with baseball bats. You know, sticks and stones may break my bones….you know the rest.
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Randy Hall says...
Right, it wasn’t a word or words. My point exactly. Did the Mayor take a bat to your head?
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Harding Republican says...
Not the Mayor, but a few of his nutcase followers threatened it. Maybe we can post a few e-mails that got sent to the mosque. Shouldn’t be a problem. Words don’t hurt, right? Maybe we should remove the statutes for “making terrorist threats.” Words don’t hurt, right?
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Randy Hall says...
So the Mayor is supposed to apologize for every crime committed in his city?
Someone is making hay out of nothing. I think this will be a great campaign platform to run from and I’m sure some are regretting getting involved in it so quickly.
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Harding Republican says...
You were the one who brought the Mayor up, not me. You were the one asking if he committed any crimes against anybody, not me.
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Harding Republican says...
Just to put my final point on this, words represent thoughts and ideas. Thoughts and ideas have power. The words themselves may not have power, but the thoughts and ideas behind them have massive power to either destroy or build up.
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hobojunction says...
Ill bet if “Allah Akbar” was placed on the wall ole Lawn man would sheet. But, words dont hurt, right?
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Randy Hall says...
Saying God is great, would not harm me at all. Would it cause you pain and suffering?
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hobojunction says...
No Lawn Man, your “flip flopping” for your handler does though..but then again, you can’t help what you are…right?
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Randy Hall says...
A thought or idea is wonderful but as far as someone’s thoughts attacking you or causing you pain other that what you allow it, is silly.
You know where I’m going. To know someone’s thoughts mean you have to be a psychic. By any chance are you psychic, do you know what I’m thinking right now?
As for ideas, I have an idea when I was a kid that I would walk on the moon taken there by Pan Am. That idea didn’t hurt me. It may have motivated me, but harmful, I don’t think so.
Ideas that can hurt have to be ideas that are put into action, which is again my point. Words don’t cause harm unless harmfull ideas are put into action.
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Randy Hall says...
“02/10/10 – 09:42 PM
hobojunction says…
No Lawn Man, your “flip flopping” for your handler does though..but then again, you can’t help what you are…right?”
Please decode this. I don’t understand what you are saying.
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intheknow says...
AMAZING THIS IS ONLY PART OF WHAT I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO SAY ALL ALONG… THIS CITY HAS PROBLEMS… I AM SURE A P.R. FIRM HAS BEEN CONTACTED TO CORRECT THIS PROBLEM… I FOR ONE AM OFFENDED BY THIS COMMENT… I CANT WAIT FOR THE NEXT SLIP UP… THAT WILL BE GREAT… I REMEMBER WHEN THIS CITY AS CALLED THE CITY OF HATE YEARS AGO… NOW IT CAN BE CALLED… YOU MAKE THAT CALL….
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lancaster says...
so TB doesn’t think that if his master stood on his podium, and started throwing the N WORD around, there would be no harm no foul?
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Randy Hall says...
The “N” word only offends those who feel offended. Do you feel offense when I call you missy? It’s no different when when you call me “toyboy” no harm no foul.
Also think about those offended. They are saying your right of free speech must be moderated by their feelings. Should we give them that power over us?
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lancaster says...
NO! but since ur always whining that i’m calling u names, TOYBOY, i guess ur giving me power over u.
u really think if ur master said the N word time and again, from the podium, there would be no damage?
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lancaster says...
because if it’s not something toyboy can see, feel, or touch, it’s not real?
i guess we CAN dump terroist threats. per ur logic, any threat is NOT a threat, till a action follows it up.
and ur probably OK with verbal abuse also?
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marino says...
Depends on how you use it. My best friend in the mid 80’s was black and we would refer to one another as nigger and cracker, and any other nickname along those lines.
I still can’t get over people refering to it today as “the N-word.”
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Harding Republican says...
You see lancaster, it only works one way. I hope Randy stands up for all those gang members who want to flash their colors at the fair. HE’S not offended by anything. What they are wearing isn’t hurting anybody.
Randy’s sounding pretty dang Libertarian! I like it!
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Harding Republican says...
Since words don’t hurt, maybe we should be fine with a parent that calls their child a stupid idiot every single day. You know, names don’t hurt.
Ah, now we hit the real issue. Those with power claim it’s only free speech and doesn’t hurt anybody and those who are hurt just need to get over it.
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lancaster says...
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amen to that. those with power will always say they did nothing wrong when they insult. kinda like rex, and sherry.
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dbeardw says...
I am glad to hear Mayor Parris offer the words of reconcillation to the entire community – both Muslims and non-Muslims.
For him, that was a gigantic step in realizing that his allegiance was not to protect a sitting council member but to keep his city united and moving forward. United is the key word that determines each and every action a mayor takes for united we stand, devided we fall. I praise him for taking a step back, truly examining the harm that was done, assessing the hurt that was never necessary to fuel and standing up for his city and all of his constituents. There are many things that the mayor does not carry out in a way that makes many of us feel his mannerism is one of inclusiveness. But perhaps we’re looking at the need for a learning curve for someone who comes from a world where everything is either black or white and nothing is gray. In our world, the scales can tip within a moment’s notice and our Mayor must be prepared to react with sincerity, humility and courage.
That is what Mayor Parris offered this community with his words of reconcilliation and I hope everyone will receive his olive branch with a spirit of understanding. There are very few of us who have lived perfect existences; we are all works in progress. I’m willing to allow someone I usually spank have the same ability to rise to the occasion and learn from his missteps. Even as upset with Mayor Parris as I may get at times, the reality is that he is always trying to come up with a new idea to uplift Lancaster. I may not always agree with the idea but the fact is he’s always thinking, discerning, attempting to move forward, and willing to take a risk. I’m giving him a pass on this issue because his heart wasn’t about dividing a city, just encouraging points that he thought would promote Lancaster.
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lancaster says...
really DBW????
the mayor did this to HEAL THE COMMUNITY?
LOLOLOLOL
i betcha a dollar he did it to try and save his campaign!
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dbeardw says...
Lancaster — he did it for both reasons. He would have been stupid not to.
He has to heal the rift that was growing. Who can govern in such a situation
He had to do damage control for his campaign. He had given the other side much too much to chew on. Why anyone on his team let him take such a position in the first place was absurd.
The one who needs a good butt whipping is Sherry Holy One. To stand up there, pout, say in essence daddy Rex or mayor daddy Pastor (for all we know) made me apologize and then walk away shows what an imbecile she is.
She couldn’t even fake it. So if she can’t even fake she cares — why is she sitting in that seat or given any respect at all?
I’m more pissed at her then anyone else. God she’s not attractive with her lips poked out and eyes looking like a deer’s eyes in someone’s headlights.
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Randy Hall says…
The “N” word only offends those who feel offended. Do you feel offense when I call you missy? It’s no different when when you call me “toyboy” no harm no foul.
Also think about those offended. They are saying your right of free speech must be moderated by their feelings. Should we give them that power over us?"
Randy, you figure the answer out for yourself. For example, I have let you allude to, if not outright make fun of issues concerning my health. You have also said things about my weight. I let you slide.
But suppose I wanted to take it a step farther. I’ve seen pictures of you and your wife. I don’t consider her very attractive in the least, for example. I think with my weight and my health issues, I’m still more attractive then she could ever be but I let you take those pot shots at me.
When I looked at the picture of you and your wife I couldn’t tell who was the male or the female.
Is that right to say. I don’t think so. But neither is your constant attack on my health regardless of what I may share — just like you shared that photo.
Should my free speech about that photo be curtailed just to avoid offending your wife.
You tell me.
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dbeardw says...
Randy Hall says…
Right, it wasn’t a word or words. My point exactly. Did the Mayor take a bat to your head?"
There are different ways to take bats to people’s heads Randy. Not every assault has to be physical in order for it to hurt. Of course you know that. You’re just playing stupid on us, right?
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lancaster says...
she’s been daddy’s girl DBW. and he backed her by not demanding an immediate apology. to add his lil “christian only” remark, right after her ‘all muslim’s are evil" remark, places the blame on both of them.
he may want to distance himself from it all now!!!!
but after getting his lil minions on here and any other place they could be heard, to stomp their feet and accuse
anyone who didn’t declare holy war with the local muslims, islamic facist lovers, tells us were his HEART is at!
he saw that this ploy was backfiring big time, so he sang a different tune.
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lancaster says...
so AVO, if u still back rex. does that mean ur a CAIR supporter now?
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dbeardw says...
Shame on you lancaster. Of course AVO backs Rex. He’s comparing the hemorroids they both acquired this week from having to use vaseline after getting screwed over.
Sorry, Sherry is not daddy’s little girl. I keep telling you guys that Rex didn’t give a hoot about Sherry winning or not. He would have preferred someone like Grooms. Now he’s got to handle little miss prissy and lips poked out with delicacy and special gloves.
She’s a little on the mad to furious side, wouldn’t you say?
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Randy Hall says...
DBW, I know some people are mentally ill. It is sometimes tough to tell mentally ill from others that are rational.
One way I tell is if words offend you then I place you in a catagory where I can harm you with my words. Seems crazy to me to allow me that power, but heck if they want to play poor me, I guess it’s ok. Imagine the poor kids growing up thinking if someone calls them a name their whole world is shattered and they won’t be ok till someone grovels and make nice with them.
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Randy Hall says...
Being a bad parent to a kid is a bad thing. I’m sure that kid grows up and feels if someone calls him a name their self-esteem is harmed.
A verbally abusive spouse can be one that expects you to love them warts an all, or could be that as a kid they were raised by a bad parent.
Still both points to a necessity of growing up!
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Randy Hall says...
The AV Fair can have a dress code.
If an apology is offered to someone that feels they need it, then who should get over what?
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Have Faith says...
I nituce when you call her Missy, and every time you do it reminds me of what a condescending holier than thou adshole you are Randy.
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lancaster says...
HF, don’t sweat it.
when i told toyboy i was a fat old man, he figured this would be the greatest insult. i still say that calling some one a female term to insult is a sign of hatred to women.
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lancaster says...
but regardless of what he calls anyone,
ur assessment of TB is spot on!
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Have Faith says...
It doesn’t matter if you’re a woman or not. He’s still insulting over 51% of people and it’s offensive. In both senses of the word offensive.
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Randy Hall says...
Fat, old, ugly, old man. HF, me and missy have a long loving relationship ongoing. Don’t let missy mislead you, my pet name is the same as “hers” is for me; meant to be affectionate.
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Randy Hall says...
HF, your offense is noted; here’s your sign!
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Randy Hall says...
That post by HF made my day! HF thought missy was a woman!
If you truly want to know what is offensive is everyone mistakes a man for a woman. It’s ok missy no stigma anymore for men wearng women’s underware.
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Have Faith says...
No. You’re wrong. What’s offensive is you. But we understand how it is for someone like you, having to compensate for your tiny weeny eensy teensy pinhead brain, if you can call that insult to man and God a brain. It’s ok. We understand what sissies have to do to feel like a man.
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Randy Hall says...
Now you really made my day! Thank you very much for my power to offend you. I deserve it.
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Randy Hall says...
I wanted to offend you. Glad it worked. Are you by chance a teacher? You sound like one I once had that I always hated.
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Randy Hall says...
Misspelling a word causes you offense. Must be a teacher.
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Randy Hall says...
No silly, I insult condecending crappy teachers like HF.
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Randy Hall says...
BTW missy, are you a retired teacher?
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Have Faith says...
Your misspellings do not offend, just make you sound stupid. Oh yeah,you are. LOL
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Have Faith says...
You must think so because you’re so stupid you could learn from anyone. Maybe you’re such a class clown idiot you’re enjoying having an imaginary teacher to try to offend. Forever young, or just forever immature?
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Randy Hall says...
HF, I’ve never said you were “stupid,” but you are very quick to lable me. I think you’re a teacher because of my experences with teachers. I had a physics teacher in College that taught me Calcus in one semester. He made it seem easy. I had an algabra teacher in HS that told me because I got the right answer but coulden’t write out the steps I was stupid.
I can fix anything on your car. I can fix anything in your home. I’ll bet with time I could do your job better than you. But you would never have the skills I have.
Do I think you are stupid? No, I think you are quick to judge others that don’t think like you do.
If everyone thought the same way what a sad pathetic world this would be.
But, to call someone stupid because they don’t comform to some standard you hold in your head makes you a teacher in my mind.
Now what is more mature; one that thinks all have equal worth and are worthy or someone like you that thinks because they don’t think like me they are stupid?
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Have Faith says...
If you actually believed your last statement, you would not support Rex and people would not see you as stupid. But you don’t. They are just words to you.
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Randy Hall says...
HF, you mean if I don’t beleive all the crap spewed about our Mayor then I would not be stupid in you mind?
Oh well, I’m stupid too you, I can live with that.
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Larry Grover says...
More drama. Scripted theater. I’ll choose WHICH “leaders” of which religions and put on a grand show. Were the personal bodyguards and papparazzi there too?
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Have Faith says...
Interesting what a flip flop a Republican Rex faithful can be. Let’s recap. Words can never hurt, people should ignore them, but we’ll post things on a blog intended to hurt and offend. Hmmm. The law is so important we need spy planes in our community to enforce, but not the white collar crimes of government officials; that should be allowed in total anarchy. Hmmm. We question if citizens trying to enforce the laws of our country and our state are paid by the attorney firms, but do not question Herr Attorney or his paid assistants, his political favors to his minions. Hmm. We claim to be Christian, vehemently and with fervor, yet we talk of violence and intolerance. Hmmm. Kind of makes you wonder.
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newstoday says...
Mr. Parker speaks to the AVNEWS
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