15 million are illegal aliens make up a sizable portion of the 40 million. Another 15 million are children who are covered by free health care that are not uing it and the rest are people in various stages between health care plans.

My father who passed on 4 years ago lived in Yakima, WA. Memorial Hospital in Yakima has expanded over the years and now over half of its beds are utilized by Canadians fleeing the Canadian health care paradise.

Europeans, Asians, Middle Easterners come here by the tens of thousands to get health care.

The only crisis is in the emergency cae centers due to illegal aliens flooding them for regular dotor visits because they don’t have to pay. Imagine how many will come hereif we give full service to them?

Best wishes,
Stormy
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I don’t believe anybody should ever be without health coverage of some type.

As unpopular as it sounds, illegal aliens deserve health coverage as well.

If the corporations who hire them won’t provide benefits, then what are they to do? We cannot deny them health care. It is a basic human right.

Trust me when I tell you that there are working people—whites and blacks, Americans, born in the U.S. —who work and go without health coverage. The insurance companies have made it unaffordable to buy private insurance.

A year ago, a friend of mine died of viral meningitis in the Emergency Room of AV Hospital. He waited until the very last minute, despite complaining of headaches and ear pain for almost a month beforehand. He was 29 and a divorced father of two little girls. He had a B.A. degree in graphic arts but could only find work as a tattoo artist. Almost every single penny he made went to child support.

There are millions of people like him who work without health insurance.
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I grant you that there are people who are unfortunate enough to suffer from certain diseases and afflictions that preclude health insurance companies from offering coverage to these individuals at any price. And it is for those people the county hospital system exists.

Everyone else is just as free as I am to go buy their own health plan. You are going to counter that statement by saying they can’t afford health insurance.

To that I say life is all about choices. People choose how much they earn and how they spend the amount they earn. If their chosen profession does not allow for enough income to finance the lifestyle they’ve chosen along with health insurance then they need to either change their lifestyle or change their profession. To suggest that everyone else should alter their chosen lifestyle in order to accomodate paying for the health insurance for those who refuse to make these choices is not only unfair it is tantamount to punishing achievment and rewarding irresponsibility.

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS FREE HEALTHCARE.
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As far as your friend is concerned he should not have had two children unless and until he was financially able to secure health insurance not only for himself but also for his children. Because of his irresponsibility those children are now not only without the guidance of a father but also without his financial support. What do you want to bet that now their support is borne by responsible citizens, aka taxpayers.

It is really easy to say these things when you’re blessed enough to have health insurance.

Patricia, when you say things like ”...If their chosen profession does not allow for enough income to finance the lifestyle they’ve chosen along with health insurance then they need to either change their lifestyle or change their profession” you are falsely suggesting that the job market and economy is so fluid that one can easily obtain a job that offers those sorts of benefits. It’s not that easy.

You said, ”...To suggest that everyone else should alter their chosen lifestyle in order to accomodate paying for the health insurance for those who refuse to make these choices is not only unfair it is tantamount to punishing achievment and rewarding irresponsibility.”

He was working and ”doing the best he could” Many of us are working and doing the best we can.

Remember that phrase, Patricia? :-)

I don’t understand people who reach a certain station in life and then hold disdain for everyone underneath them.

He was a very responsible guy, but like so many Americans of all generations, his marriage just wasn’t working and his wife wanted a divorce. It wasn’t entirely his fault. He did the best he could.

:-)
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The truth is I don’t hold disdain for anyone. What I am talking about is a CONCEPT. The concept of personal responsibility. The concept that all of us have an obligation to care for ourselves and those we create.

We must resist the idea that someone else should pay for our livelihood.
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Nobody can live in a bubble forever. If there are problems swarming around you, do you try to address them or do you continue to pay them scant attention because they don’t effect you yet ?
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Split the health insurance coverage between major and minor coverage. Minor coverage, for example, would encompass procedures and care that fell below a $10,000 threshold and major would cover everything above.

Employers could furnish the major part of the plan because since it only covers catastrophic situations it would be more affordable.

The employee would then pay for the policy that covers the minor stuff which would be more affordable because of the limited amount of coverage.
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Nothing in life is free, least of all the basic necessities of life and that of course includes insurance. (But I think PK said that already).

For example, I have fantastic health insurance but no dental insurance. Do I whine about it? No, I save money so that I can afford my cleanings, exams, x-rays, etc., then take the tax deduction the feds allow me.
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Let’s say I have to garnish an employee’s wages. I get a demand letter on official letter head that threatens me to withhold something the employee pissed off.

I didn’t do anything wrong but I’m forced to comply. The state should contract with me and give me a percentage of sales taxes collected, and also pay me to withhold an employee’s tax if the employee requests I be their bank and I collect money for doing the job. I’m in business to make money not to make the state money. That’s called robbery.

You want health care to be reformed, do away with insurance. Third-party pay is why it costs so much.

Yah, you guys tell MK that 40 million thing shows a bias without any real facts to back it up. Also MK it is nice of you to be compassionate with other people’s money.
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what a REPUBLICAN thing for you to say socanative

when i watch these blogs i see you bash the republicans [me also] but you seem like the biggest REPUBLICAN on here

lol!!!
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everything that comes out of the womans mouth [keyboard] is REPUBLICAN.

she complains of illegal immigrants. she complaines about taxes. she complains when other republicans are not as conservative as she thinks they should be. she hates when someone talks about free healthcare.

got an ELEPHANT in your closet sweety???
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I’m all about self-accountability, republican or democrat.

I think the addage, “nothing in life is free” is about as non-partisan as it gets.
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McCain: Borrow & Spend
Obama: Tax & Spend

They way I see it is the average American is going to pay one way or the other.
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We women are so complicated. I’ll tell you why I love shoes so much, 4 inch heels in particular….they never make you look fat. And if you have small feet like I do they seem to exaggerate your best features. I’m so glad the jeans and heels look came back in fashion.
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SURELY you dont wear everything you have. Bet you love those dental tax deductions and any other tax deduction you can siphon off from Uncle Sam and give to Prada.

you fight with Randy so much because you both are like peas in a pod. he is religious and you arent is the only difference!!!
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The thought is why not allow business choices and all of the above, let the employee become responsible and see what happens.

Socan you think your boss could trust you to pay your taxes if your boss wasn’t required too? If you can be trusted why let your boss have free use of your money till he pays his tax deposit?
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I believe that is the purpose of dialogue.
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Randy: I’m the pay up front kind of person. I know many people who go exempt all year and pay their taxes in April of the following year. Most are in trouble with the feds because they try and short change what they owe.

Randy, my father worked hard all his life and imparted some of his wisdom on me:

1. Pay yourself first. 10% of your gross goes to savings.

2. Don’t ever borrow against your house.

3. Pay your credit cards off every month.

4. Never screw with the feds.
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there is nothing democrat about this woman which is why it does not make sense to me that she bashes us all of the time. but watch in two or three days she will post a blog with “REPUBLICAN” in the title and some very negative/nasty words behind it.
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Socan’s dad taught her to pay yourself first. When in business you are the last one to be paid. I goes like this, taxes, sale taxes, withholding taxes, work comp taxes, then your employees, then your suppliers, and if there is anything left you get a paycheck.

Of course you can skim off the top but I don’t think socan is admitting her father did that.
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Health care solution: impose a wealth tax on obscenely rich parasites in finance, law, entertaiment, etc. and then use that for hand outs for lower and middle class people. Increase rates on capital gains as well.
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I’ve posted many blogs about many politicians, both republican and democrat whose behavior was appalling.

I can give you many reasons why I vote democratic, but it really doesn’t matter because I will cross party lines and I don’t blindly vote for anything or anyone based solely on which party they belong to.
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Jody, see it didn’t take the old socan long to bare her claws.
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Can either Obama or McCain make such a claim?
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Really, that’s about like winning big at the 7-card stud table in vegass, soca, like most big wins in the money markets.
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Romney contributed $1 million to the Olympics, and donated the $825,000 salary he earned as President and CEO to charity. He wrote a book about his experience titled Turnaround: Crisis, Leadership, and the Olympic Games

Spin: That may be…however, I certainly prefer someone with a sound business background to either of the other two candidates.
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And if and when we change our laws to give health care to all illegals, we will have 100 million illegals here in just a few years.

Go to NumbersUSA and they have numbers as to how you can contact your Reps and congressmen. One email and/or phonecall makes a difference. Vote out all pro-illegals. Vote in those that want our laws enforced. Think about your kids and grandkids.

Stop illegal invaders now.
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did he earn it? or is it just a “freebie” for the taking???

why not buy your son a regular bare bones car and have him appreciate that first???
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For centuries, babies were delivered at home. If you don’t have insurance, why can’t you deliver at home with a mid-wife, just like they still do in other countries?
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So far, you seem to be the only person that can grasp that.
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But is there ever any rational explanation as to how or why a woman makes up her mind about something?
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Not usually. But I am not that much of a misogynist. Look at the average nutcase conservative male poster on intheav. (or its spouse). Would you want it voting? Not sure. Maybe IQ tests at the booths: some dems might not approve, but it’d keep many rednecks from casting a vote.
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the minute its over expect a stilletto in your back LOL!!!
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Moderate intheav! That’s the only hope for this joke site. Start with a no biblethumper policy (buh bye Sarge Yappi. Now, don’t go postal, Hero).
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Better you should leave, lil Hitler138, like and free the site of your wannabe brownshirt BS, at least until learning what a coherent paragraph is.

Fight for yr rights, intheav peoples. Moderate the hicks. Must have triple-digit IQ to post.
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Remember what I said about Reason, Randia? That’s what real religion is about. Even ask one of the Paddy O’Flannagans. Reason means writing reasonable things, sticking to facts, making coherent arguments, debating issues in a civil manner, even with those you disagree with. A bit of a stretch for the usual Tumbleweedian.
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Don’t make me handle the both of you jokers.
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Danke for mo’ evidence, Guiliani-grrl.
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Does anyone know what emergency conditions are on the list of qualified emergencies?
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Monday, July 21, 2008 9:06 PM

By: Dick Morris & Eileen McGann Article Font Size

Democrats’ single most important domestic proposal — universal health insurance — may blow up in Barack Obama’s face when voters are exposed to the deadly details.

Obama has said, proudly and often, “I am going to give health insurance to 47 million Americans who are now without coverage.” But are they “Americans?”

http://www.newsmax.com/morris/obama_healthcare/2008/07/21/114994.html
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Is it an Emergency?

The initial minutes after an injury or medical crisis are often the most critical. Trust your instincts when deciding if you or a loved one needs immediate medical attention. Symptoms that generally indicate an emergency include:

Uncontrollable bleeding
Head injury or broken bones
Poisoning or suspected overdose
Inability to breathe or shortness of breath
Seizure or loss of consciousness
Persistent chest or abdominal pain or pressure
Numbness or paralysis of an arm or leg
Sudden slurred speech, visual changes or weakness
Major burns
Intense pain
Severe reaction to an insect bite, medication or food

What is so hard to understand? If its not life or death take your ass to the Urgent Care Facility. Please not that “fever” does not appear on the list. This should eliminate most reasons why kids are seen in the ER.
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Hospitals do not have the capacity to screen citizenship status. So if you want to remove the free ride from them, you must remove it from everyone.
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I guess that was a personal dig? :-)
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John Stossel did a report on the poor of America. Look for it.
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There is a security guard in my building who is offered health insurance through his employer. The cost is about $100 per month. He opts out of the insurance because he prefers to drive a new car. These are his words, not mine.

When he gets sick he heads over to County-USC. He gives them a fake name, says he’s homeles and has no ID. Then he doesn’t have to pay the doctor’s bill.

I can’t imagine any adult refusing health insurance offered at $100 per month.
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If I worked for a company that offered it, believe me, I would take it.

In fact, I would be more than willing to change jobs and take a significant cut in pay if it meant getting a chance at health benefits—which is something I have explored and am trying to do something about right now.
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The gall!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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The Savings and Loan scandale, Enron and Worlcom bankrupted more middle class Americans than worrying about the foodstamps passed out the poor.

The war in Iraq cost about what $10 billion a month. Who do you think will pay for that? The middle class of course.

Crime and poverty is big business in America. Prisons tops the list as one of the most lucrative business enterprises. How about all the middle class folk who have jobs in welfare offices, etc. caring for the poor. Take poverty away and a lot of people would be out of work.

Don’t even let me get started with how much that Manson murderess cult member has cost us for her health care—the one suppose to die in three months from a brain tumor. Last count I heard was $2 million since March. What doctors sucked up that gravy?

As I say, crack on the poor all you wish but they employ a lot of folks—from the jails to the social services lines. Where would be employ all these fools who lost their jobs if poverty was eradicated or we just let the poor go without a handout?

I so hate it when the poverty pimps—those who benefit from the poor and the criminal element—complain as they go home to their middle class houses with backyard pools and yearly vacations.
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When it comes to the average citizen, the feds try to crush them. Money has its priviledges.

Just like the Ramseys whether they are guilty of their their daughter’s murder or not. How many of us would have gotten away with not showing up to police interviews or thumbing our noses at the cops. Money my girl—they had money and money protected them.

Your father was only partially right. he forgot the most important lesson of all.

1. Make sure you are in a financial position to take my advice. Can’t pay yourself if it’s between you and the light bill.
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