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Tuesday, July 15 2008 - 12:17 AM
"Liberal" -- the most abused word in the political lexicon.
Travis (911bagman) stated explicitly that the mislabeling of fellow bloggers as “liberal” is “rudimentary” and needs to end. I couldn’t agree more. And, besides, what’s wrong with being a liberal anyways?
During the local primary race for Assembly, it was amusing – albeit pathetic – to watch two very conservative Republican men attempt to lambaste eachother as “liberal” in campaign literature.
As a liberal, I readily acknowledge that the best ideas don’t always originate on the left, and many of our conservative counterparts sometimes have the upper hand on quite a few issues.
In my comparatively shorter life, I have been too many places and seen too many things to ever label myself a “conservative”. To me, the word “conservative” denotes someone who holds to a Simpleton-like mindset.
I have been called a liberal and I don’t have a problem with it in the slightest.
Liberalism is compassion. Liberalism means remembering those less fortunate than you and doing what you can to make their lives better. It means tolerance and broad-mindedness. Most importantly, liberalism means embracing a socially-responsible attitude.
If you lived at the top of a hill where a creek supplied water to the people below, would you pour toxic chemicals into the creek – letting them wash down and poison members of the community who lived below you?
If you answered “no”, then you might just be a bit of a liberal yourself.
Always hold firmly to the thought that each one of us can do something to bring some portion of misery to an end
—Anonymous
Redflag says...
Matt: “Liberalism is compassion. Liberalism means remembering those less fortunate than you and doing what you can to make their lives better.”
To we Marxists, liberalism is one of capitalism’s chief gatekeepers (the other being Christianity). Liberalism means keeping the working class, most especially its poorer members, placated and docile in the face of an ever worsening social setting. Liberalism endeavors to mend capitalism’s highly antisocial effects without ever addressing their cause so as to prevent workers from bringing forth socialist society which would allow for positive, meaningful and lasting social change. This, by the way, is literally, not merely figuratively true. Take social “security” programs, for example:
Social “security” programs were introduced onto the stage of the class struggle by none other than Otto von Bismark – the “Iron Chancellor” of Germany. During the 1870s, Otto von Bismark established what were then known as “Anti-Socialist Laws” which were intended to destroy Germany’s then burgeoning socialist movement. But these laws failed quite completely. In response, and in the spirit of Matthew’s quoted ...each one of us can do something to bring some portion of misery to an end [emphasis mine], Bismark, in the 1880s, introduced a number of so-called “social insurance laws” which provided some measure of compensation to victims of industrial accidents and old age pensions. Otto von Bismark’s and the German capitalist class’ intent, however, was not necessarily to ease the burden of the victims of the capitalist system, but to deflect the socialist movement and if possible, to destroy it just as their original Anti-Socialist Laws were intended to do. As it turned out, it was a brilliant piece of political strategy that not only worked like a charm then, but that continues to function in such a way to this very day in the form of our own and so-called Social “Security” Program – a bit of liberalism that is too often passed off by those who hold to Simpleton-like mindsets as a manifestation of socialism. But such an assertion as that is as insulting as it is laughable.
Indeed, liberalism serves to prolong capitalist rule and the social miseries resulting therefrom.
Persevere.
Guy
Member-at-large: Socialist Labor Party of America (est. 1890)
I’m out.
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highground says...
It is very interesting that the Bush cheer leaders are standing down this morning. When I saw your post today, I thought they would be all over it and you, like hot tar on a new roof. They must be in hiding licking their shallow egos. After all the staunch AV “conservatives” have finally discovered that they have been in bed with a corrupt scoialist for 8 years.
Who else but GW Bush could conceive of a way to add to his life long list of failures, by increasing his record federal debt from 9 Trillion dollars to 14 Trillion dollars, in the final days of his administration? Do you think they have realized that the proposed bailout by Bush is the most corrupted form of SOCIALISM? Do you think they have come to the conclusion that the private mortgage industry has been run like ENRON? Isn’t using the peoples money, the state treasury and budget to bail the criminals out, the filthy rich shareholders, crony SOCIALISM. An orgy of corruption. Even makes one believe that Carl Marx, must be turning over in his grave.
Ah….. the “conservatives” probably did not get much sleep last night. Covering their head with the pillow did not help…..... They still heard it…..... over, and over, and over, and over….. WANT MORE OF THE SAME, VOTE MCCAIN.
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Marilyndal says...
Why don’t we just do away with labels of all kinds?
“Once you label me you negate me.”
Soren Kierkegaard
And just in case you miss my point . . .
“Those wearing tolerance for a label call other views intolerable.”
Phyllis McGinley
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Redflag says...
I could not possibly be any prouder of my Marxist label.
Out!
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Randy Hall says...
Marylyn McGinly has a good point!
Liberalism is nothing more than Christian morals run amok. Liberals whine they don’t want to live in a theocracy but that is what liberalism is nothing more that forced giving to charities of those viewed as in need.
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highground says...
Marilyndal
You make an excellent point. Which would probably merit serious consideration, if there were enough adult on this blog…... to many children here.
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Randy Hall says...
I think HG you mean not enough people that think like you. It was MK that said I was a simpleton, now you are saying I’m child like.
I haven’t called you names yet. Because I think that is child like.
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Randy Hall says...
“Because liberalism typically doesn’t sell in American presidential politics, liberal candidates tend to run as culturally conservative centrists.”
Rich Lowry
Can you say Lord Obama is running to the right?
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Spin says...
Without the workplace and health laws enacted by progressives (a more accurate term than liberal), as well as various other labor-related polices, Red-Fang would not even have his position at the slaughterhouse; for that matter, the State of CA has many socialist (if not marxist) programs in place.
Moreover identifying the tradition of Jeffersonian “liberalism” with Bismarck reveals Redneck-fang’s own simpletonness.
The problem is that marxists (and the nutcase rightists) do not understand what authentic democracy consisted of. Marx’s whines about the workplace were mostly rectified. Working hours shorted, unions were permitted, health conditions improved, women’s rights, anti-trust measures etc. Then you don’t know Teddy Roosevelt from yr ground-round do, ya RF.
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Randy Hall says...
So what is a cultural conservative and why is that important in presidential politics?
God, traditional family, respect for the law.
How come we have no atheists running or people like Dukus running where he lets a Willy Horton out to murder again?
Why is it important to put people in prison? Why is it important to support traditional marriage and the right to life?
What’s there to be afraid of in a full blown liberal candidate?
HG care to engage your talents and answer these questions?
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Marilyndal says...
I think it is just unfair and inaccurate to define something as complicated as a human being by one word, i.e., liberal, or conservative, male, female, white or black, senior citizen, teenager, etc., I find myself agreeing and disagreeing with different viewpoints of issues, often. To blind oneself to other possibilities, or put someone in a box by labeling them, seems a waste of time.
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Randy Hall says...
You would agree Marilyn that your viewpoint is in itself a guide post to judge from?
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Spin says...
Hey Randia, the popes of the last 20 years or so have condemned the US’s military policies, and even corporate capitalism. The previous pope even met with Fidel Castro. So do you agree with El Papa on all that, papist?
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Randy Hall says...
Spin I was saying Liberalism was Christian guilt that masquerades as liberal compassion.
I simply think some traditions are good.
Spin you make a charge that I want a “theocratic monarchy.”
Haven’t I argued that that is what Liberals want?
If it isn’t please lay out how you want government run. It would be nice if you could keep it is simply as the Bill of Rights.
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Spin says...
The principles of Madison, Jefferson, et al, still apply, perhaps with some modifications (there was an element of hypocrisy). Those principles are not, however, those of the Catholics, Inc. or boneheaded baptists (or mooslims for that matter). Yet even TJ realized that lacking an effective education system, democracy could revert to mob rule. And it also might be remembered (assuming you want to take this discussion seriously) that Jefferson and Burr opposed Hamilton’s finance schemes, and the Federalists such as Marshall. Marshall won that battle, and in effect created a judicial power that could override legislation (and even the executive at times). The idea that America is a democracy is mistaken (especially with Don Scalia at the reins). That’s not to praise the Confederacy: but in a real sense, the democracy dreamt of by the Founding fathers was over probably 1830 or so.
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Randy Hall says...
Do I agree with The Pope on how to run the US? I don’t think turning the other cheek is smart when dealing with terrorists.
I agree with The Pope on most matters. It’s like our country I believe it is the best going but it has some things I simply don’t understand why we do.
The Church is no different, but I don’t actively campaign to destroy the Church. I don’t give to the Cardinal’s pet projects because I think he’s a criminal for how he handled the sex scandal. I suspect Mahoney will have a severe price to pay for that.
The Pope is against materialism because it isn’t eternal, but the Church itself has wealth beyond measure and allows some parishes to live in squalor. I guess the reason is if you give it without them earning it, it isn’t compassionate.
Wealth without responsibility is like letting Lindsey Lohan into a bar.
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Randy Hall says...
I thought it was the Civil War that ended the Founder’s dream. But I won’t disagree with you. The US is a perversion of what was envisioned.
Of course even perverted as it is I can think of no other country I’d want to live in. Maybe Nevada if it were a country.
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Spin says...
Actually, ah find some aspects of Catholicism interesting. Read say Aquinas or Dante’s Inferno: even as myth, pretty powerful. Unlike the calvinist idjits, the catholics got their system all worked out, with levels to Hell (and purgatory, even “heaven”). And when you got time away from trabajo, read it, and you will discover, Dante had no problem putting tyrants of all types in his freezing hell-hole. The section with Caiaphas, the corrupt judge who sentences JC to death, one of the most interesting. He’s buried under ice, damn near the bottom (and mere sinners of the flesh, ho’s pagans, etc. way above that).
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Randy Hall says...
There is nourishment in the Sunday message. It is like this blog, an outlet a way to atone. The Church provides a service of comfort in time of crisis. It offers hope for more than is material.
I can’t hurt, except in the instances I pointed out above.
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Randy Hall says...
The purgatory element was my major selling point. I like the idea you can pray for the dead. You can also pray to those in Heaven to pray for your intentions.
Like you said spin they have it pretty much worked out. The hard part is living it.
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Spin says...
Well, it’s worked out, only making various assumptions (like Scripture is authentic and “true”). At the same time, Aquinas borrows much from Aristotle and greeks. As did Augustine (also an interesting read, but St. Augie was hardly some do-gooder like most modern xtians). At the same time, much of the tradition stood in the way of democracy, and even today , the insistence on miracles, and so forth might be read as a type of deception.
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Jeff Spicoli says...
Oh is’nt that cute? The psychotic John Wells/Spin/Al Jolson//Deke/Cobber Pedy/VvvVvv/10101010/Blitzen/MojaveJ/St. Prick/Rommel9/Sockpuppet/Starker989/Enduro Dude/UnCleMeAt/et. has managed to hold it together long enough to LOOK LIKE a sane person. How much longer before it starts with the Mormon girl crap, the You libeld me crap, the Were zeroing in on your location crap, the Ill makeyour employer make you take a drug test crap, the Ill block you from being able to blog here crap, the You are a pork rind eating hick crap, the My attorney will be contacting you crap, et.?
Come on Sybil. Show the nice people the REAL you. You freek!
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Spin says...
Like here, Randia: this is the sort of demon that protestantism leads to. A lying, vindictive little peasant-coward who can’t quite handle reason, or reality.
So, diss calvinist-idjits (baptists,etc), Randia and I might agree.
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Jeff Spicoli says...
Yah I’m a peasant. I’m not as good as you. Huh Sybil? Your supirior to me. Huh Sybil?
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Spin says...
Better, Randia, call in one of yr Padre pals to post some stuff here, condemn the protestant-clowns, and even debate some bloggers. Vaya con dios!
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induhav says...
In God We Must!
In whatever deity we trust one drinks the kool-aid with relish. I like the green kind best.
induhav
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Jeff Spicoli says...
And thats why no one takes any thing you say seriously. Because even tho you are nothing but a mentally ill unemployable teacher who lives at its mommy and daddys house in hick town USA Mojave you THINK you are better then every one else. Your a joke.
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Spin says...
Hey, the cats even still perform exorcisms. Imagine on intheav: the power of C**t compels thee! Unlikely to do much good.
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Spin says...
Yr a liar, demon, and a perp, and not only that, spewing ad hominems as usual. None of yr business what I do, stalker. (not to say a pal of nutcase mormons). Just a matter of time ‘fore I get yr posts, yr email, all of yr shit, perp. Already got the warrant in the works
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Jeff Spicoli says...
See? There it gos with the Mormon crap again. ROFL. What a predictible little psycho you are. ROFL.
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Spin says...
See? It’s bingin’s on meth again. Meth and moroni. Shut yr mouth, ROFL grrl. Fore I have you kicked out of the stenography pool. Warrant’ in the works, Jeffie grrl. Not only that, the Storms will be joining the complaint, since you have used their name illegally
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Spin says...
Call in yr padre, Randia. Put the demons back in Hades. The power of C….t compels thee! Prepare for pea soup.
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avbornbred says...
Good Topic. In this great country of ours, we have people that believe in a variety social, political, and religious views. That is why the United States is the greatest country in the world. In this country, we have the right to be conservative, a moderate, and Liberal. These three different life styles, are often intertwined with one another, as people will often contain elements of each in the way that they live and look at life.
The far right conservatives, middle moderates, and far leftwing liberals, contains individuals who are open to believe in whatever they want.
The problems with these groups are extremest. Extremest are on both sides of the spectrum. There are far right wing wack jobs, the neo-nazi’s, KKK, and a some religious sects. On the far left, you have Code-pink, some environmental groups like the Earth Liberation front, and the illegal immigrant groups like La Raza. There are also a variety of very liberal social groups that are on the extreme left wing spectrum .
A conservative or a liberal, who have the ability to reason, and live life with a little bit of tolerance, can get along with each other. On the other hand, people from those groups, will never be able to live with one another because they will never be able to tolerate another persons point of view.
When one point of view, either conservative or liberal, starts to have an impact on the lives of other people, then there is a problem.
Currently, liberals in America are causing great harm to this country. While we are at war, the liberal wing of this country is doing everything to undermine the efforts of the President, our military, and our ability to win. The far left wing in this country has even taken control of some of our city governments, like in Berkeley CA. (Watch some of the Code Ping videos on You Tube in Berkeley with Code-Pinkers blocking the Marine Corps Recruiting station.)
Currently, Americans are suffering from the left wing liberal environmental groups having influenced our governement into allowing domestic oil drilling and gasoline refineries. Right now, we are paying the price in our economy, life styles, and some of our long enjoyed personal freedoms. A few militant environmental groups have waged an underground war to damage the US. Many of the groups in the far left liberal spectrum, want our country to fail. They want us to lose the war, they want us to fall back into the horse and buggy days, they hate our large and successful companies who employee millions of people, and they despise the men and women of our military.
One reason I do not like groups from both the far right and the far left, is that they want our country to fail. They want the liberties and freedoms we have, but when it comes times to answer the call to defend this country, they abuse their freedoms. Then they do everything they can to hinder our countries efforts. The far left uses the media, the Code-Pink groups, and elected officials to damage our countries war efforts.
Code Pink, even though they are just an annoyance, capture news headlines by being a vocal opponent to the war. Even when they violate basic laws, like the right to protest, they take it one step further, pushing the envelope by physically blocking the doors at Marine Corps recruiting stations. In Berkeley, they were allowed to get away with these violations in front of the Berkeley Police Dept. The city council in Berkeley, runs that city, and has tainted the leadership in the police to allow these free speech abuses.
The media, a strong tool for the far left liberal types, routinely slants stories about our military, the President, and our successes in the war.
The media has even gone as far as to report false stories in an election about the President, ala Dan Rather.
The politicians, have also promoted their left wing agenda’s and have done everything possible to hinder the efforts of our country, all in the name of trying to hurt the Republican party and President Bush. Just look at Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, Barbara Boxer, and John Murtha. Those people are using there political power to sway the opinion of Americans to further their polictical agenda. John Murtha, probably committed the greatest sin possible, when he convicted several Marines of murder in Iraq, even before having their day in court. Murtha did that to hurt the war effort. Fortunately, the Marines were cleared. I only hope they sue the crap out of Murtha.
Right now, many groups and individuals from the Liberal wing of this country, are hurting their own fellow Americans.
Right now, people from the far left, liberals, are threatening this country.
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Spin says...
You might be confused if you think Bush and the US military represents authentic conservative values, or Christianity. Besides, even Chairgal Nancy and Reid support the IWE. We could use more Harry Reids.
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avbornbred says...
Harry Reid is a mindless voice box for whatever the DNC tells him to say. Even when the war in Iraq is being won, he preaches defeat.
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Spin says...
Not exactly. He’s a bit of a pragmatist, but has supported the war effort to some degree. That doesn’t mean rubber-stamping Bush or the GOP. I doubt you know much about Reid, who spent years as a prosecutor fighting the mafia in vegas . He’s not perfect, but is about as close to a Harry Truman style dem as anyone. Quite superior to the Feinsteinocrats.
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avbornbred says...
Fighting the Mafia in Vegas, he might as well been in their back pocket. You can’t be serious. That guy does what he is told.
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Spin says...
Sort of like Bush listening to every word of Elliott Abrams, or McCain and Lieberman, eh.
Reid put some wise guys away. I don’t worship the dude, but he has some idea of integrity, unlike most dempublicans.
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avbornbred says...
If he put real wise guys away, they would have found him dead in a motel room with an overweight prostitute. Those guys were probably low level guys who are getting paid to take the fall.
Besides, how many liberal prosecutors do you know. Most prosecutors and D/A’s are conservatives.
Reid is a puppet for who ever can get him elected.
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socanative says...
AVBB: Not true. Of all the federal prosecutors I know and have known during the past 15 years, I’d say about 85% are democrats. Another reason Bush, through Gonzales, wanted many, many people fired.
As far as DAs, I’d say its about a 50-50 split.
My experience is, the better school and law school the attorney attended, the more likely it is that they are a democrat.
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avbornbred says...
Hey Matt K. I don’t know much about you other than you are a college student(?). I know you support a lot of liberal causes, however, I see you more as a moderate. I may be wrong.
Answer these questions: Would you ever join the military?
Do you believe in Capatalism?
Abortion?
Gun control?
Prop 36?
Are you a supporter of the war in Afghanistan?
Are you a supporter of Iraq?
Do you support the United Nations?
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avbornbred says...
socan: Clinton fired all of them. They were hired by Bush Sr. Bush Jr. kept a lot of Clinton’s appointees, fired a couple, and dam near got nailed to the cross. There is a difference between a Democrat and a liberal.
Democrats can be cops and prosecutors, but most liberals are defense attorneys, or practice in some other field.
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Spin says...
Your assumption that conservative equals “good” is hardly warranted. While there are corrupt liberals, there are plenty of corrupt conservative republicans to match ‘em. Reagan hisself put mobsters into positions of power.
And equating democrat with liberal is just Limbaugh-like BS. A Feinstein or Hillary does not seem that “liberal”: pro-war, pro-business, signed off on Patriot Act, etc. There’s not this great separation between the two.
Many GOP people, especially biblethumper sorts, don’t like Reid because he stands in the way of gambling and liquor (and porn) interests.
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socanative says...
AVBB: You should really do your research before posting. Why don’t you start by googling Carol Lam’s name and seeing all the dirty Bush and Gonzales are accused of doing to her and many other high ranking dems in the USAO.
“Many prominent Democrats, including Senators Charles Schumer and Diane Feinstein, allege that Lam’s firing was part of a broader, vengeful move against prosecutors that have pursued political corruption cases that damaged the careers of Republican politicians, or that were not loyal enough to either the Republican Party or the Administration.[1]Republican Congressman Darrell Issa has stated that he takes “maybe one-twentieth” of the responsibility for Lam’s firing.
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avbornbred says...
I agree with you. Don’t forget all the suspicious deaths around the Clintons.
Libs and Dems. There is a difference. There are a lot of pro life Dems, but not many pro life libs. There are many bible thumper types who say stupid shit, and there are many libs, dems, who also say dumb things.
Reid stands for the interests he is told to stand for.
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avbornbred says...
When someone gets to the top in politics, there are always abuses. With that much power, these guys are going to do all kinds of weird stuff. A lot of it is done because so many people want to topple your position.
Look at the local politics in the AV. There are powerful people on both sides who will trample the lives of anyone who gets in their way. It’s happened for years in Lancaster and Palmdale.
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socanative says...
AVBB: I guess your referring to Bush & Cheney then?
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avbornbred says...
Bush and Cheney were delt a tough card with 911. Overall, Bush has handled the war OK. Things could have been done better. Bush was dealt a bad hand when 911 happened. A huge contributer to that hand being dealt was the Clinton administration.
Bush’s presidency has been an up hill fight since the Florida election stuff happened when he beat Gore 15 times.
Cheney is sly. I would not want to go hunting with him, but he knows more about the world than you think. Cheney is not stupid, he knows the game well.
As for trampling people, 99% of politicians have to run some body into the ground. All politicians have opponents, and sometimes, a politician fights back or launches an attack on a rival or threat. If you were in office, you would do the same thing to protect yourself. It is just that some use dirtier tactics than others.
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Spin says...
You’ve been reading the wrong pundits. Gore got only one recount, allowed by law. It was still very close, but the judges said Bush won. Gore wanted another recount, and the judicial barons said nyet. It’s quite possible Gore actually won (whatever you think of him. He’s not that “liberal” either), but the existing law prevented additional recounts.
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avbornbred says...
Gore not a liberal. OK?? You maybe right. He could be an absolute loon.
This guy has been in a fantasy world for years.
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Spin says...
Regardless, more than a few journalists and researchers claim there was tampering in Florida. Given that Florida was Jeb Bush territory, and that the judges (in FL) tended to be conservative, it’s a safe bet the GOP rigged the election for Bush. Tho’ I think the dems do that as well, as with Mayor Villaigarosa’s odd victory over Hahn, or even….Dame Feinstein’s victory back in the day. You can never be too paranoid.
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avbornbred says...
There we go with the conspiracy theories, Tampering with the ballots. Let it rest!!!
There are still those who have sleepless nights over Florida 2000, and those who think Bush knocked over the World Trade Center buildings. “Those” are about less than 1% of the general population.
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RealSteve says...
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Yep Al Gore, recount only those counties that might have voted for me, but don’t count military ballots, especially absentee ballots that would mostly gone to Bush….
Yep, Democrats, making up rules as the go.
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Spin says...
Does that mean, you are convinced there was no tampering, or there was, and it doesn’t matter (sort of that wise-guy GOPer perspective). The WSJ and other major newspapers concluded the FL vote had probably been rigged (for Bushco).
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avbornbred says…
Hey Matt K. I don’t know much about you other than you are a college student(?). I know you support a lot of liberal causes, however, I see you more as a moderate. I may be wrong.
Answer these questions:
Would you ever join the military?
Probably not.
Do you believe in Capatalism(sic)?
Yes, but not in the ways in which it is currently practised. It should be subject to greater oversight and regulation.
Abortion?
No. Since I am a male, I can’t ever have an abortion. I would pursuade a female to choose an alternative, but ultimately it is her choice, isn’t it?
Abortion is one of those sad things you’ll never be able to stop. Making it illegal only makes it more dangerous.
Gun control?
No. I believe the Supreme Court’s recent judgment was the proper one.
Prop 36?
What is that about?
Are you a supporter of the war in Afghanistan?
Yes.
Are you a supporter of Iraq?
No.
Are you a supporter of the United Nations?
Yes. The function of the UN is to serve as a meeting place for nations to gather and discuss issues that effect each of them. I don’t always agree with some of the agreements that come out of the UN, however. The UN was established to prevent a Third World War and, so far, it has served that purpose.
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avbornbred says...
Hey Matt, Good Answers. I would say that you are a moderate Democrat. A little to the right on some issues, and a little to the left on others. I thought you would trash capitalism.
Prop 36 was a law that was passed a few years ago allowing drug users to be sent to rehab centers instead of doing jail time. People arrested for felony drug possession do not go to jail unless they commit the same violation many times. Then the judge might give them some jail time. Prop 36 passed without people really understanding what the bill was about. I guess voters feel that drug users do not deserve jail time.
The UN, I feel was a good thing when it started, now I thing it has no bite. It is good for handing out food to starving nations, but never quick to respond to where fighting and human rights violations are occurring. The US has a better record of helping other countries than the UN does. Now NATO, they have some bite!!
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911BagMan says...
avbornbred (something I would want to be kept secret) – “There are still those who have sleepless nights over Florida 2000, and those who think Bush knocked over the World Trade Center buildings. “Those” are about less than 1% of the general population.”
Can you provide a reference for this statement, or was it just another misinformed Faux News propaganda piece that you are, nevertheless, repeating?
Thank you in advance for your response!
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avbornbred says...
1% is a good number of loons who thing that a standing president of the US would blow up the world trade center. I am sure you will post numerous video clips of people that heard explosions and the buildings coming down. Go at it.
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Randy Hall says...
Liberalism is guilt sanctified.
http://www.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/rothbard71.html
“Now, the entire culture is characterized by massive collective guilt, and if anyone fails to give due public lip-service to a long list of solemnly avowed guilts, he is literally driven from public life. Guilt is everywhere, all-pervasive, and brought to us by the same scoundrels who once promised us easy liberation.”
I’ll remind you in MK’s parent posting he said “To me, the word “conservative” denotes someone who holds to a Simpleton-like mindset.”
HG said: “Which would probably merit serious consideration, if there were enough adult on this blog…... to many children here.”
To recap, one a proud liberal uses offensive terms to describe his political opposites, and the other a angry liberal thinks conservatism is child like.
These two liberals are trying to impose a guilt trip upon us. Saying we are too stupid to see the world properly. This is neither tolerant, nor nice. Liberalism has destroyed their souls.
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Spin says...
“The worst offense… which can be committed by a polemic is to stigmatise those who hold the contrary opinion as bad and immoral men. To calumny of this sort, those who hold any unpopular opinion are peculiarly exposed, because they are in general few and uninfluential, and nobody but themselves feels much interested in seeing justice done them; but this weapon is, from the nature of the case, denied to those who attack a prevailing opinion: they can neither use it with safety to themselves, nor, if they could, would it do anything but recoil on their own cause.
In general, opinions contrary to those commonly received can only obtain a hearing by studied moderation of language, and the most cautious avoidance of unnecessary offence, which they hardly ever deviate even in a slight degreee without losing ground: while unmeasured vituperation employed on the side of the prevailing opinion really does deter people from professing contrary opinions, and from listening to those who profess them.”
- John Stuart Mill, “On Liberty”
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avbornbred says...
Spin, I read that about three times. This guy must have been a college professor or an attorney. If you can make sense of it, you must be very very smart. There are some .50 cent words in there. This John Stuart Mill, never heard of him. Probably because no one can understand or stay awake reading this stuff.
I guess the remark about conservatives being simpletons is correct. I like life simple. You could spend a lifetime trying to figure this out.
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Randy Hall says...
Spin, I think sometimes me and you converse like Mill was suggesting. I find redflag is usually measured but impatient.
Thank you for posting Mill.
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911BagMan says...
“avbornbred” – “This John Stuart Mill, never heard of him.”
By way of your handle, I am not terribly surprised. Did you find the reference to that 1% comment, yet, or could you not find it on your television set? No wonder you don’t know who JS Mill was, he was never on TV!! If he had been a Faux News pundit, you would have knwon the number of hairs lining the crack of his ass! LOL!! You “good-ol’ boy CONSERVATIVES” sure are silly!
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911BagMan says...
By way of a poll conducted by CNN, “avbornbred,” November 10, 2004, 90% of participants believed there was a government cover-up.
Here is a link:
http://www.infowars.com/articles/sept11/cnn_poll2.htm
-According to an October 2006 Angus Reid poll, 53% of Americans feel the Bush administration is hiding information regarding the 9/11 attacks.
- A Digg Poll asking participants if they believed 9/11 was an inside job showed that 64% of participants responded with a “yes” comment.
http://digg-polls.blogspot.com/2007/08/911-inside-job-or-911-nut-jobs.html
A poll by the Scripps-Howard News Service found that 36% of Americans felt 9/11 was an inside job
http://www.scrippsnews.com/911poll
etc, etc…
Interesting how 3 of 4 polls showed the majority of respondents agreeing with the “9/11 was an inside job” crowd.
Have a good night.
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Randy Hall says...
“By way of your handle, I am not terribly surprised.”
Mill sez… “In general, opinions contrary to those commonly received can only obtain a hearing by studied moderation of language, and the most cautious avoidance of unnecessary offence, which they hardly ever deviate even in a slight degree without losing ground: while unmeasured vituperation employed on the side of the prevailing opinion really does deter people from professing contrary opinions, and from listening to those who profess them.”
Bag you call your quote moderation?
I think not.
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avbornbred says...
Yea, when CNN does a poll, I believe it.
I don’t have time to go onto a bunch of liberal websites and look for Bush conspiracy plots and polls. I am glad you did it for me.
I guess you are one of the 53% who thinks Bush attacked America. I guess he must have paid off Bin Ladin to take the credit.
The 36%, that must be close to the percentage of left wing coocoo’s in this country.
I am glad you did all of that research. I am enlightened by your knowledge. To bad no one in Washington, not even the Democratic majority, has the balls to indict Bush. Only Kucinich does. Wait, he is a left wing koook. I guess he is the only one of the democratic elected officials who sees it your way.
Not even Harry Pelosi and Nancy Reid have come out with charging Bush for this attack. I guess if there was real evidence, they could. You think that with the majority in the House and the Senate, they would have no problem impeaching Bush and charging him with these “war crimes” and for starting a war.
So why arn’t the Dems charging him. Why is it only talk by left wing conspiracy theorist types and CNN, who talk about this.
Look who your sources are. I hope you don’t believe them.
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beepbeep says...
I read your stuff in the A.V. Press. I don’t think you are a socialist. On a liberal note: I’m pissed at the Palmdale City council for not allowing pot shops to operate.
Those Palmdale city council knuckleheads should have called W. Hwd. city council for information. They would have discovered that
1. pot shops are the best tax base.
2.They have armed security which keeps away the rif raff.
3. There is no correlation b/t gang members who buy homes to grow tons of pot, and legal pot shops who sell to sick people.
4. What difference does it make if a vending machine give you your medicine or a human being hands it to you.
Hoffbauer tries to give a negative connotation to vending machine technology, and at the same time makes himself look like a fool.
These Palmddale city councilpeople more often than not, “fly from the seat of their pants” when giving lame statements to the press.
Not a very progressive decision form a city that touts progressivism.
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The Real Ed Sileo says...
Very True beepbeep..I miss the old beer vending machines we had in college…..ahhh, those were the days!
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beepbeep says...
I know what you are saying and hope you are kidding. It’s irresponsible for any learning institution to vend alcohol on campus. High schools banned soft drinks years ago.
People who need marijuana are in real pain. I feel for these people. Marijuana is the best drug to get off opiates. And we all know too many A.V. physicians over prescribe opiates for patients.
Marijuana is also perfect for chronic (no pun intended) pain, AIDS and MS.Mr. Sileo,I hope you never suffer from chronic pain and have to mollify the mind that controls the back that pains in order to survive.
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Randy Hall says...
Liberalism destroys everything it touches. It isn’t compassionate to make someone dependent.
Liberalism is feeling your way to a solution. When the destruction happens liberals whine the program wasn’t given enough time, or money.
Liberalism is nothing more than shibboleths, war on poverty. Totally sucks we don’t have a time table for withdrawal from that skirmish. What’s the human cost, and dollar cost. You have almost destroyed the black communities, and the 7 trillion dollar cost has no end in sight. Bush lied, people died, Bush stole the election, save the whale, save the rainforest!
Yet liberals feel they are doing god’s work. Liberalism is the state religion in a country that bans traditional religion.
Liberalism destroys the human spirit, by saying if you can’t make it, it is someone else fault like big business.
Liberalism destroys what it seeks to help, it crushes the human sprit, and seeks to enslave people saying they need big government to take care of them.
“Liberalism is totalitarianism with a human face.”
Thomas Sowell
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