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Tuesday, April 22 2008 - 12:05 PM
Earth Day and everyday
If we’re honest with ourselves, most of us have an innate desire to be more “green” and eco-conscious.
Lately, however, being Green-minded has taken on a sort of cachet that makes it appear financially out-of-range for many. It’s not. Furthermore, we shouldn’t have an eco-conscience just one day out of the entire year. It should be ongoing.
To be “green” does not entail spending thousands of dollars on installation of solar panels for one’s home, driving a hybrid, wearing Birkenstocks or making pilgrimages to Whole Foods. You can be “green” in subtle and affordable ways each day:
1.) Use a minimum amount of electricity in your home during the day. Enjoy the sunlight and make the most of it.
2.) In mopping and cleaning your tile floors, use a vinegar-water mix, instead of products with a chemical base.
3.) Avoid flushing antibiotics and other medications down the toilet or pouring them down the sink.
4.) Buy desert-friendly plants that require minimal water for your garden.
5.) Incorporate rocks and other natural elements into your garden.
6.) Try to limit the amount of meat you eat to a reasonable portion every week. Doing so reduces methane in the atmosphere as well as the demand for beef and frees up land used by farmers.
7.) Limit your intake of fish to prevent over-fishing of the world’s oceans.
8.) Purchase fruit from local farmers. Doing so guarantees that you are supporting the U.S. economy and U.S. regulations that forbid the use of dangerous pesticides. You can purchase local fruit from Ben’s Corner, the Whole Wheatery or the Vons supermarkets in Lancaster and Palmdale and at Scattaglia Farms in Littlerock.
9.) In the evenings, enjoy candlelight in place of electricity.
10.) Make use of your city-issued recycle bens.
11.) When giving gifts, look to things like hand-made toys, bags, blankets or quilts – things that wont be discarded too readily and used for a long period of time.
12.) If your entertainment pursuits rely on use of our local deserts (Off-Road Vehicles, etc), use the provided pathways and avoid harassing and threatening animals and the destruction of plants or rocks.
13.) When going out, plan your route carefully to save gasoline.
Feel free to add or share something that you might do already…
No Spin says...
1. Don’t fly on gas guzzling, poison emission spewing Private jets to your “Save the Earth” speaking engagements—go Commercial
2. Don’t drive around in gas guzzling, poison emission spewing Limousines, to your “Save the Earth” speaking engagements, rent a Hybrid
3. Don’t use twice to 3 times as many Kilowats a year as the normal resident in the state you live in does..
I’ve got more if you want em… lol
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socanative says...
Matt: Here are a couple of my favorites:
1. Take your own bags to the grocery store.
2. Don’t let the water run while brushing your teeth.
Anyone else notice the similarities between No Spin and R Yapp? Both like to critique others’ posts.
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138hwy says...
kelter..You are f$#@# NUTS!
haha..lol (don’t eat too many fishes, coz will empty the ocean of fishes) hahahahaha. I Bet Ace wrote this and just doppleanging kelter. lol
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138hwy says...
Yeh, I noticed socan.. Did anyone ever notice that you are our ‘miss sunshine’ of intheav.com? The most pleasant, non-judgemental blogger, EVER!!
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mattkeltner says...
Billy,
You might think it’s funny, but the world’s oceans are in danger of being over-fished. I don’t find it something to joke about.
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Ryapp says...
Hey socanative,
I took a quick look and just had to quickly reply.
First off, please do not compare me with No Spin or anyone else. I can hold my own!
Second, there is nothing wrong with critiquing others especially when it is something positive.
After all, Keltner stated: “Feel free to add or share something that you might do already…” and I added a couple of things. So what is the big deal?
As for your comment about not letting the water run while brushing your teeth… How about going pee while taking a shower since that will save on an extra flush or two from your toilet?
How do you like them pomegranates?
I rather not go on the offensive right now, so I am asking you to stand down!
Please:o)
Yapp
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Randy Hall says...
“Human happiness, and certainly human fecundity, are not as important as a wild and healthy planet. I know social scientists who remind me that people are part of nature, but it isn’t true. Somewhere along the line—at about a billion years ago, maybe half that—we quit the contract and became a cancer. We have become a plague upon ourselves and upon the Earth.
“It is cosmically unlikely that the developed world will choose to end its orgy of fossil-energy consumption, and the Third World its suicidal consumption of landscape. Until such time as Homo sapiens should decide to rejoin nature, some of us can only hope for the right virus to come along.” The End of Nature by Bill McKibben
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Randy Hall says...
How about the founder of the Sierra Club, John Muir, whose wish for alligators to “be blessed now and then with a mouthful of terror-stricken man by way of a dainty”
I say him first.
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socanative says...
Yapp/No Spin: You just can’t help yourself can you? Always gotta tell someone what to do dontcha? Its a dead giveaway.
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bear says...
Don’t eat beans because they add to the methane gas.
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No Spin says...
SoCa
Calm down..your love for me is embarrasing.. I am blushing now..
I simply added 3 more ideas to save our earth..
Are you disputing any of them as not being credible? Which one(s) should I delete?
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Ryapp says...
socanative
Why don’t you pour about a gallon of salt on yourself and see if you melt away! If you don’t then I guess we are stuck with you:o)
I love you man!
Yapp
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socanative says...
No Spin/Yapp: Shut up and go back to using your alter personality. Can you possibly do anything on this blog where you aren’t telling people what to do???
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138hwy says...
But seriously though. We can help the enviroment by allowing L A gangsters to retrieve their bullets from drive-by shootings of building and vehicles, thus saving on metal usage.
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norman says...
I am trying to see where No Spin critiqued this post. He added ways to save.
Alter personalities….hmmm No Spin has many. He keeps a list.
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138hwy says...
socan is just trying to stir the pot today, and since Randy isn’t here yet, she is going after others. This is why she is “our miss sunshine.”
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norman says...
I see nothing “sunny” about her. Only contempt and meanness.
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socanative says...
If I were one of your three personalities, I might seriously consider getting my mental status checked. It is sickly abnormal to want to “fool” people by pretending to be someone or something your not. I hear that blogging under alter personalities leads to cross dressing and other perversions that are probably a little too PG-13 for some of our other bloggers.
But seriously, get your head examined as soon as possible.
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Randy Hall says...
“The environmental movement maintains that science and technology cannot be relied upon to build a safe atomic power plant, to produce a pesticide that is safe, or even to bake a loaf of bread that is safe, if that loaf of bread contains chemical preservatives. When it comes to global warming, however, it turns out that there is one area in which the environmental movement displays the most breathtaking confidence in the reliability of science and technology, an area in which, until recently, no one—not even the staunchest supporters of science and technology—had ever thought to assert very much confidence at all. The one thing, the environmental movement holds, that science and technology can do so well that we are entitled to have unlimited confidence in them is forecast the weather—for the next one hundred years!
It is, after all, supposedly on the basis of a weather forecast that we are being asked to abandon the Industrial Revolution, or, as it is euphemistically put, “to radically and profoundly change the way in which we live”—to our enormous material detriment.
There is actually a remarkable new principle implied here, concerning how man can cope with his environment. Instead of our taking action upon nature, as we have always believed we must do, we shall henceforth control the forces of nature more to our advantage by means of our inaction. Indeed, if we do not act, no significant threatening forces of nature will arise! The threatening forces of nature are not the product of nature, but of us! Thus speaks the environmental movement.” George Reisman The Toxicity of Environmentalism.
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socanative says...
Which is exactly why you need your head examined. Once again for the slow learners:
No Spin = R Yapp = norman
Come on…were waiting…flex your perceived authority…tell someone to do something…it will curb your anxiety
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norman says...
ME?? wow…I don’t tell people what to do and I am no Yapp or No Spin…..Don’t even really know them. Gonna have to find out about them now and see if this was a compliment.
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socanative says...
Severe denial…also another indication of mental illness.
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norman says...
I must admit though, I do agree with No Spin that Al Gore should practice what he preaches.
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Ryapp says...
Socanative
I speak for myself, think for myself and will go on the offensive for myself if I need to. I am asking you to stand down one more time. I really could give half a rip what No Spin says or does since he can speak for himself too.
You are making yourself look extremely foolish for attacking me over a clean and decent reply to Keltner’s post. If you cannot handle the heat I pray to God you are “saved” because the Lake of Fire sure is hot from what I read.
As for dishing it out, I think you are better off with a new waiter!
Robert Yapp is who I am, NOT “No Spin/Yapp!” I ride solo here in this blog!
Just in case you are wondering look up page A2 in yesterday’s AV Press (21 April 08). Like I said, I can handle myself just fine. Do not force me to cut loose. I would rather be your friend then banter with you here on this silly blog.
If you want a good laugh, I will let you know what I said to someone else. That is to go look up Yapp in the dictionary. I find it suits me well and not the rest of you all! Go chew on that one for a while!
Good day.
Robert YAPP
hahahahaha
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socanative says...
R Yapp/No Spin/Norman: You have trouble with human communication, that’s why you are always telling people what to do, that’s they only way you know how to communicate. You don’t sound convincing…unless your only trying to convince yourself.
No one, least of all my is afraid of someone like you. Get a grip.
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138hwy says...
Right about now, Dash Riprock, aka kelter, should be riding in to save the honor of “our miss sunshine” from all of these dastardly, mean, hateful bloggers. Where are you Dash?
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norman says...
You must have nothing better to do. Very sad.
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socanative says...
Do you really have to use 3 different moniker’s to fight with little ole’ me?? Pretty pathetic when you think about it.
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norman says...
No, what is pathetic is that you are actually inferring I am someone I am not.
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socanative says...
Your a walking PSA for mental illness, dude. Oh, and again, for the slow learners: PSA = Public Serivce Announcement
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SantaTaco says...
“some of us can only hope for the right virus to come along.” The End of Nature by Bill McKibben.
That’s classic, I wonder if he’ll feel that same way when his family is dying from said virus. Some people think that the human population needs thinning for the sake of the environment but never stop to contemplate themselves possibly being part of that thinning.
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norman says...
The only thing I am guilty of is wasting time and stooping to talk to such an ignorant human being. Good day and have fun carrying on in your blatantly miserable existence. I do have many better things to do than engage you in conversation on any level.
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socanative says...
Guilt, denial, multiple personalities, I’m getting out my DSM-IV manual and diagnose you as quickly as possible.
I would be really curious to find out what has pushed you and your other two personalities over the edge.
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Ryapp says...
Socanative,
I know you are afraid.
I can see you right now twitching and jerking like some rodent infested with Tourette’s syndrome trying to figure out what to type next with intense uncertainty.
I would love to be your boss and I sure feel sorry for your wife. (If you have one) Either way, I fail to see how you have either one since you will do what your desires are and lack the listening skills or reading skills to truly communicate which is necessary for employment and marriage. This is more than evident on this blog concerning you.
Obviously, you have a problem with authority since you dislike so much “being told what to do.” Everyone is under some authority my friend, even… yes, I myself. However, your failed understanding of this matter is your undoing. I guess you just may be the next Section 8/Welfare recipient we will have to support. Oh wait, they have rules too. Maybe you better get acquainted with the Sasquatch’s out in the wilderness because they will not tell you what to do but force you to do what they desire! If that is your preference? Haha
Your intellect is by far inferior and childlike and it lacks the maturity to “communicate” which is a word that you like to use but fail to grasp its’ meaning. You stray from the points and issues made, sort of like an alley cat that is looking to drop a litter somewhere with no place to go. May you implode in peace!
I have had enough out of the cashew gallery from you today. Be Gone!
Your friend,
Yapp :o)
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socanative says...
Yappy Pappy Scumbag Loser:
The only thing you know is what you tell yourself, because that’s what your big on. Have you noticed that every blog entry you post, you are saying “I know” or “Let me tell you what to do”. Ritualistic behavior. Let me add that to the list.
Guilt, denial, multiple personalities, and ritualistic behaviors. I’m still looking for your diagnosis.
Too bad we can’t people like you down the toilet with the other crap.
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Randy Hall says...
Santa, you are right can you imagine the world populated by those that could manufacture a virus and immunity?
It would be a very select clique. Most likely hicks like me would be excluded, thought I sure MK would be welcomed.
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socanative says...
Oh, and I forgot regressed feelings of domintation over others, and to quote you, “I would love to be your boss”.
You certainly have a very distorted belief of self-worth.
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Ryapp says...
Yapp does rhyme with crap. Hmmm?
Go ahead and try flushing me BIG GUY.
I just hope you are not so naive to try and flush me down a urinal because I won’t fit.
Hahahah
You joker
I really got to go now.
Bye Bye.
Bite your food many times. No choking allowed.
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mattkeltner says...
Randy,
You are truly bizarre!
I wrote a blog about little things we can all do to be more environmentally-conscious and you twist into some warped vision about genocide.
So, what’s the deal Randy?
Is one or two of those things on that list too much to ask of you?
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Ryapp says...
Hey Matt,
Can you eradicate socanative from this discussion?
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socanative says...
Ryapp/No Spin/norman: Now you have to beg Keltner to get rid of me because I’ve kicked all three of your collective fat asses? Guess you don’t like getting mowed over by a girl?
Openly hates women, regressed feelings of dominance over others, guilt, denial, multiple personalities, and ritualistic behaviors. The list just keeps growing, sicko!!!
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poof1967 says...
I purchased a copy of this on Sunday and watched the entire movie. Suggest some of the naysayers in here get it and see it. Here is the trailer:
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Randy Hall says...
Environmentalism is the distortion. With the death of socialism green is the new red. To regress isn’t our charge. I don’t like the thought of a horse dung haze.
Environmentalism is the product of those that believe man is bad and must reduce his numbers. MK I was giving you some background on the leaders of the movement.
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Randy Hall says...
Let’s see Leonardo is a Hollywood movie actor saying don’t live like I do. Sounds like Al, I’ve got some carbon credits to sell you Gore.
Invent a crisis, then invent a solution and get rich. How much did Al leave office with? How much has he profited from his environmental hoax.
Hollywood makes some great fiction, like the China syndrome that single-handedly destroyed nuclear power in the US.
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mattkeltner says...
Randy,
Overpopulation isn’t good either. Look at Africa. Overpopulation causes tension, war, food shortages, famine and disease. Overpopulation costs money.
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Randy Hall says...
Gore Used Fictional Video to Illustrate “Inconvenient Truth”
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poof1967 says...
You need to see the documentary. There are over 50 experts that discuss the situation ‘we’ have created for ourselves. It is all about choice though. You can choose to continue down your path or join the path of many that are waking up and doing something to get our planet back to where it needs to be.
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Randy Hall says...
MK what is overpopulation?
How many is too many?
Africa’s problems aren’t caused by the people; it’s caused by the leadership.
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Randy Hall says...
Poof, I could bring as many experts with the opposite consensus. The point is Al Gore and Leonardo live a very big lifestyle.
Also people have been upset about shortage of material since the 4 century when suddenly they ran out of raw material and had to dig for it.
I say, break out the steak, fire up the barbie, heat the Jacuzzi, I’ll celebrate Earth Day my way. Did you know Earth Day is Lenin’s birthday? Did you know the first Earth Day was the 100 anniversary of Lenin’s birth.
“Today, fully a third of all federal laws and regulations are devoted to the so-called “protection of the environment.” They impact property ownership and the use of all energy sources. Vast areas of the U.S., despite known, huge reserves of oil and coal, have been put off limits. Virtually no structure can be built without an environmental impact study being undertaken. Right now, there are Administration efforts to destroy dams providing hydroelectric power in the northwest, ostensibly to save salmon. In countless ways, so-called environmental laws impact our lives, even down to the amount of water one can use to flush a toilet!”
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poof1967 says...
You choice, your path. We need renewable resources, period. There aren’t enough or the right kind of environmental legistaltion as far as I am concerned. To much greed and power hungry folks making decisions. People think the earth will last forever. The earth, like humans, can only stand so much abuse.
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bear says...
We have only tapped a very small amount of the natual resouces on this planet. If we let the environmentalist do what they want to do we will bankrupt the world and run out of resources that we need.
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Randy Hall says...
I can guarantee you Poof that earth will last longer than you will. It will even last longer than your great-great grand kids. Heck a 1000 years from now is will still be spinning in space. We may have returned to the dark ages in stead of populating the stars so I feel this environmental crap is crap!
Want to save the planet for your grand kids? Then burn up the resources so we have to look off world and leave a legacy of hope not despair.
Did you hear Obama wants to cut back NASA to pay for nationalized health care?
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Ryapp says...
Socanative,
Notice how I did not “Beg” Matt I asked him.
Also notice how I did NOT TELL him what to do. Again, I asked him.
Socanative,
You could not kick a soccer ball. Furthermore, you could not mow someone down if you were on a 9030 Series Scraper Special John Deere Tractor because I firmly believe you lack the mental capabilities to even open the door to it much less drive it. But then it is a complicated machine that I may even have difficulty with it. At least I bet I can figure out the door! Ha-Ha
I do not openly hate women since I do have a daughter and a wife. Are you trying to say I am gay or something? However, if hating women is how you perceive me because I think you are a girl then that is okay I guess. Whatever grinds your gut!
I have no “regressed” feelings of dominance over others just increased feelings of dominance over YOU. We all have guilt, so whoopee. My denial is in the fact that I will deny myself the embarrassment to succumbing to your anorexic intellect.
I do not have multiple personalities but multiple attitudes one of which seems to be a jovial one right now.
Ritualistic behaviors?? Did you see me throwing down chicken bones and sticks somewhere? You are an odd fellow.
You are making my day very fun. Will you continue to do so? I may even let one of my kids debate you that way you may have half a chance.
Later,
Yapp
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mattkeltner says...
Something you can also add to the list would be to change over to electronic billing via the Internet, as opposed to receiving paper-form bills in the mail, which almost always invariably end up in the trash.
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socanative says...
Ryapp-dog/No Spin/norman: Why do you spend so much time defending yourself? If these things weren’t true you wouldn’t even bother with me.
Your just desperate now.
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Randy Hall says...
But MK the Internet is the most complicated thing man has invented. Needs lots of natural resources to run it. It’s made of components that have to disposed a certain way and are usually obsolete in 18 months!
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highground says...
The great movie China Syndrome, had nothing to do with it. Most of the American people, with a few dumb uninformed exceptions, are to smart to fall into the fake nuclear energy bottom less pit. When all the cost are well thought out nuclear energy simply does not produce any net energy. Not one watt.
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annette tappa says...
I heard on Glenn Beck last night that in one tank of gas that contains ethanol would feed one person for a year.
Somethings wrong with this, we are growing corn to feed cars instead of people! Now look what has happened to food prices…
Happy Earth Day :(
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bear says...
Annette, we are being sold a bill of goods and we must stop the production of Ethanol.
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bear says...
We must open up the drilling in oil fields we have, we have so much oil that hasn’t been tapped. Think about the resourses at the bottom of the sea.
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Ryapp says...
Hey Matt
Getting back to the topic on the fishing,
My dad used to fish Salmon commercially for fun with his friend in the Bay Area. Due to the change in currents and over fishing in the area they stopped because many fishermen who did that for a vocation were hurting financially.
While I do not believe in the “global warming” nonsense. I do believe that people can cause short-term damage to an area. An example of short term being a majority of the fish being consumed by the fishing market to where there is not much left to fish. As a result, the fishing industry will move to where there are fish while the area that is left barren will eventually repopulate again. I personally do not think it is much different then natural predators preying upon their food such as fish, squid, penguin’s etc. They too move from place to place for defense and the predators will follow.
I used to hunt in the San Juaquin river area between Los Banos and Firebaugh as a kid. It was all hunted out with little dove, quail or pheasant. Now I hear it is flowing with birds. You can be sure the hunting will resume like it used too. Well maybe not because of all the Liberals making hunting too expensive.
Anyhow, just some thoughts.
Yapp
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No Spin says...
SoCa
Thanks.. you added 2 new names to my list..
Who am I?
Ray Cunneff
Dennis Anderson
Boscoe
Greg Tappa
Bill Warford
Coward
Slime Master
BornNRaised
Leftist
MLR Schill
Open Border Scum
A Woman
Louis
No Spin
A*hole
Larry Grooms
Arnie Rodio
Pr@#k
Loser
Liar
Robert Yapp
Shoe Salesman
Rat Poop
Dumber than a Flea
Narcissist
Arrogant Ass
Norman
Scumbag/Loser
Could I be all of them?
Hmm.. quite a puzzle isn’t it…
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Frankbradshaw says...
At least nobody accused you of being Frankbradshaw. No one would stoop THAT low.
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bear says...
People just don’t stop and think about foreign oil, that could stop at any time. We would then have to go to war with all of the middle east or America would be dead. We need to start drilling in our own fields and that means Alaska and off the coast of California along with every other place we own. While doing this we do have to keep up the work of finding other sources of energy before it is to late to do anything about it.
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bear says...
How exactly do higher taxes help lower energy costs? (Hint: They don’t.)
It’s one question the Democrat leadership in Congress can’t answer, no matter how long they talk.
The truth is, the tax and spend crowd is just looking for ways to increase taxes on American consumers by targeting domestic energy production. At a time when already high energy costs are weighing heavy on this country’s economy, and when signs are indicating that even more trouble may be ahead, why would Congress seek to pass legislation that will raise prices and increase financial hardships by strangling America’s energy supply? Congress should be looking to cut taxes, not increase them. Higher energy prices won’t avert or minimize a recession. They’ll do just the opposite.
GOPUSA
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Frankbradshaw says...
Re: global warming, I think it is important to realize that climate change is affected by quite a few different factors. 1816 was called the “Year without a Summer” because of a major volcanic eruption. Ice was seen as far south as Pennsylvania in July and August. Snowstorms in late June killed quite a few people in New England.
There have been major ebbs and flows in the climate throughout the centuries. It’s just that we’ve been able to track it with a bit more effectiveness over the last 50 years or so. We need WAY more data to speculate about global warming.
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bear says...
This Data can come from NASA if only they would let them do their work.
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bear says...
There is NO new evidence of a human cause for Earth’s temperature change, not to mention no change for the past ten years.
Walter Cunningham/ former NASA astronaut apollo 7
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Ryapp says...
Hopefully by the end of tonight I can prove to socal that I am not anyone else here except for Robert Yapp.
That is if all goes as planned.
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socanative says...
Your such a complete idiot that you failsed to notice that MVRWC addressed his question to No Spin and you answered it as Ryapp.
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No Spin says...
mvrwc
I could be O’rielly or maybe Ann Coulter?
Or maybe I am you and I posed the O’reilly question just to throw SoCa, ace detective, I mean defective, Off my trail..
hmmm??
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Ryapp says...
Just so everyone knows, I was at the Lancaster City Hall tonight from 5PM until about 9:45PM.
My wife and kids even saw me on television. Ha-ha. I am surprised I did not break it.
For all the whacko’s who think I am everyone else on this blog you can start checking to see what names were posted during the time I was unable to blog and start narrowing down just exactly who I am.
Eventually, you will find out that I was right from the get go. Sorry to pop your blister.
At least I have enough sense to try and offer a solution to answer your accusations.
By the way mattkeltner, I thought that this was actually a decent post. That is until socanative littered it with nonsense. I apologize for his behavior I should have been more mature myself and simply ignored him.
Take care,
Yapp
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Randy Hall says...
“7. Recycling is a worthwhile practice that can help to save the planet. Well, this old planet has been around for 4.5 billion years and I really don’t think that anything we mere mortals can do will harm it. Certainly not with a few plastic bags and styrofoam cups! I think that by and large we are wasting our time and energy with attempts at recycling. It might make us feel better about ourselves, like we’re doing something worthwhile, but in reality, it’s a total waste of time. Just look at what we recycle. Newspaper. Nobody wants it. There’s no market for recycled newsprint. We have the technology to build very clean and efficient incinerators that will burn this stuff up. Or we can just take the cheap way out and bury it in landfills. What’s the problem? What about aluminum cans and glass? We have enough of this stuff to last for centuries. Just bury it and forget it. You say it doesn’t decompose or degrade? So what? Neither does rock! The earth is covered with a quadrazillion tons of broken rock just lying around forever. Not hurting anyone. So what if a few glass bottles and cans are added to the pile. Recycling is a total hoax that lure people into thinking that thay are accomplishing something worthwhile. How about directing some of this energy towards solving real human problems like hunger, disease and war?”
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bear says...
What I like Randy is how we are asked to put the cans and bottles in one can and card board in another can and so on so we do the work for Waste Management and then they sell the stuff and make more money. I don’t believe they ever reduced our bill for hauling our trash and we do their work for them to make more money. Throw it in the trash or save it and sell it yourself and make the money. Waste Management only cares about making money not the planet.
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Randy Hall says...
“Eco-philosopher, Bjorn Lomborg, [asks us] visualize the people living on Earth 100 years from now. Let’s imagine that they can reach back in time and speak to us, give us some feedback on the world we’ll be leaving them. What do you think they’d ask us to focus on? Where would they have us concentrate our scarce time and energy?
A world in which hunger and AIDS have been eradicated or a world where the sea level is 6 inches lower?
A world free of Jihad where everyone lives under some form of representative democracy, or a world that is 2.1 degrees cooler in the months between October and March?
A world with 10% more polar bear habitat or a world where even the poorest or the poor have clean water and a sanitary place to go to the bathroom?”
http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/04/earth_first_people_later.html
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socanative says...
Hob: The LA Times did an interesting article about how an illegal immigrant woman went out very late at night, the night before trash day, and raided everyones’ trash cans for recyclables. She was able to pay rent on her $1800+ Pasadena apartment just by doing this. In Pasadena, its illegal to do this because the City feels that its their property once the recyclables are out on the curb, but of course, it didn’t stop her. The writer asked her why she didn’t move to a cheaper apartment and she said she likes where she lives.
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bear says...
There is big money in recycling and why we do it for Waste Management I will never know. Save it your salf or throw it away and let waste management dig for it. After all when we are dead there will be people digging looking for all this stuff we are throwing away.
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socanative says...
Here are some excerpts from the article. Actually her rent is $2300, more money than most mortgages in the AV.
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-collector12mar12,1,2657370,full.story
It’s not yet 3 a.m. Juana Rivas grabs her shopping cart and steps off the curb into the dark…..
She starts to feel anxious. Her husband and four children are depending on her. The $2,300 rent check on their Pasadena home is due in one week. She already asked for an extension on the gas. The cable and the phone have been disconnected.
About three months ago, a police officer stopped her as she pushed her cart near her house. He told her the cans belonged to the city and that she was violating a city ordinance. But instead of issuing her a ticket, he simply advised her to go in a different direction.
So I guess the moral of the story is be sure to recycle because the illegal immigrants depend on it!!!!!!!!!!
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bear says...
Where I use to live the landfill was owned by the city and the cost of picking up your trash was included in your city taxes. If you hauled trash out to the landfill yourself you didn’t have to pay any extra for it and we didn’t have trash dumped all over every where. There is big money in the trash business and our city should be making it not waste management.
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socanative says...
I wouldn’t expect any of the city officals to be creative enough to come up with a plan where they would make money. But what Lancaster has done is make it mandatory that every single homeowner have trash pick up. So in my case, where my son and I generate very little trash and my next door neighbor a single 50 year old man, can share trash cans and save some money. The three of us together couldn’t fill up the 3 cans they give us (trash, recycling & geen waste). Its really ridiculous.
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bear says...
The problem is by making every one have to pay waste management the money. It would be far cheaper if the city of Palmdale had their own landfill and the city took care of the trash. With every one paying in their taxes it should be way cheaper than waste management.
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socanative says...
Since when has the City of Palmdale or Lancaster demonstrated they care about savings residents money?
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Randy Hall says...
Socan, I don’t think the point is the cities are ripping us off, the point is we have been programmed since we were little to Reduce, Reuse, and Recycle.
We then elect people that want to do this and the mandates run down hill. Cities are then to implement programs that do enrich companies.
Al Gore knows the template. Create a crisis then offer a solution and be the one invested in the solution.
We can blame the cities but it is our own fault for supporting an education system that doesn’t teach decision making but indoctrinates. Almost makes you believe redflag.
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socanative says...
Randy: I understand your point. However, why can’t me and my neighbor share trash service and save ourselves about $264 per year? The City tells us we individually have to maintain trash service, yet neither one of us ever fill up a single bin. Seems like a scam to me.
Nobody understands implementing programs to enrich companies than the City of Lancaster.
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Randy Hall says...
The reduce mandates came down from the state level. The cites had to have their plans evaluated by the state guidelines.
I totally agree with you. We have a trash bin and allowed the neighbors to use it to save them money, didn’t work they were fined for trying to save money.
Even Rich Brault said the Reduce, Reuse, and Recycle almost like a Christian saying Jesus loves you.
If R,R, and R isn’t a pantheistic religion nobody knows what is.
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PKShaw says...
The rule requiring everyone to have trash service was an effort to curb illegal dumping.
You are not only paying for the amount of trash you actually discard, but for the service of them coming each and every week to pick it up. Most of the time we skip only put out our bins every other week but I still feel it’s a deal for me to have them come every week on the rare occasions I need it.
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socanative says...
PK: I understand the reason behind the rule and I have a funny story.
A friend of mine would run her dogs off leash in the desert a few miles from her house. While out running the dogs, she found a bunch of stuff dumped, including someone’s personal finacial information with address. She took some of what she found, pictures, etc., and called the sheriff. They come out and take a report. Someone, maybe a detective, decided to follow up with her after they had investigated. Apparently, when the detective went to the home, the “dumper” was able to produce a trash bill so they couldn’t really file charges for illegal dumping and of course the dumper had no idea how her personal financial information got there along with a sofa, loveseat, dishwasher. However, the detective decided to run the dumper’s information and her husband’s information and found out that the husband had a parole violation warrant. The husband ended up going back to prison for 18 months because of the warrant. So I guess they still got it in the end.
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Ryapp says...
socanative,
Someone brought it to my attention that you are a female. The thought never occurred to me. Anyhow, sorry if I made you mad. I do not hate women at all. Really, because my wife would not allow that nor my daughter.
Yapp
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Randy Hall says...
To fall in line with the mandates the trash companies have to run 3 trucks each week. To make a profit the cities had to contract each homeowner had to share the cost.
Each week 3 very big trucks drive up and down my street. Wear and tear is massive, but we are R,R, and R!
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Randy Hall says...
“It is also time to re-evaluate domestic oil production in environmental—and moral—terms. The question is no longer simply whether we want to drill in the Alaskan wilderness or off the Florida or California coasts. Rather, the dilemma is whether by doing so, we can mitigate the world’s ecological risks beyond our shores, deny dictators financial clout, get America out of debt, and help the poor afford food.
We may not like oil platforms off the beach or mega-tankers in Arctic waters, but the alternatives for now are far worse—in both environmental and ethical terms.”
Victor Davis Hanson is a classicist and historian at the Hoover Institution, Stanford University, and author, most recently, of “A War Like No Other: How the Athenians and Spartans Fought the Peloponnesian War.” You can reach him by e-mailing author@victorhanson.com.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/04/a_new_environmentalism.html
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annette tappa says...
Glenn Beck last night mentioned that we can make synthetic gasoline for 60.00 a barrel, why aren’t we doing this now?
Apparently back in the 80’s we did this, so OPEC decided to drop the price of a barrel to 14.00 so that this experimental project would go bankrupt.
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Ryapp says...
Hey Matt,
Good post except for the meat portion and fish items. That is just a little too much on the liberal side. The Lib’s can diet on yogurt and quiche if they want but I love eating tasty, rough beef, deer, elk, wild pig and well cooked fish. Fish is little on the pricy side so I do not each as much of it as I like.
To add to your list:
How about people picking up all their garbage when out hunting, camping or shooting in the wilderness.
Maybe even pick up trash that others left behind. I threatened to make all six of my children’s lives miserable if they ever go out in the woods and do not leave it cleaner than when they were there.
Anyway, I need to get back to work.
Later,
Yapp
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