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Saturday, January 16 2010 - 03:52 PM
What is Obama?
138hwy says...
oopsbummer is what is known as a “one termer.”
Jimmy Carter was one. Even though 98% of african americans ALWAYS vote for a black candidate, it vote fly the next time.
oopsbummer has divided the country along racial lines like no one else in history by surrounding himself with racists.
He be called the RACIST-IN-CHIEF and his wife is MRS. RACIST.
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lancaster says...
hey racist poser,
how much money u make on black peoples charity?
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marino says...
Lanc,
He ain’t Muslim. Right? And so what if he is. He should just fess up. Nothing to be ashamed of.
Allah Akbar, Obama.
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Cybertariat says...
But the simple fact of your having raised the “issue” (by way of a typically scholarly video clip), marino, screams the fact that you are indeed attempting to suggest that there is something to be ashamed of for being a Muslim. For you, in the tradition of right-wing and thus ever so neanderthalic politics are, of course, attempting to tar and feather Barack Obama and, by extension, all Muslims. And perhaps all Muslims need be so ashamed. But perhaps so too should all Christians be ashamed of their adherence to superstition and ignorance, too.
Oh, but then I remain quite certain of your<.i> mindless, ignorance-inducing superstition being somehow better than a Muslim’s mindless, ignorance-inducing superstion.
Persevere. Guy
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fewenuff says...
WOW way too slap a religion down! Associating a religion (typically an expression of compassion for our fellow travelers) with a politician and then condemning ?them? for it. What a novel idea!?
illhave a snackbar and heyzus rocks!
THROW THE LYING BUMS OUT…and their little dogs too!
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Randy Hall says...
Marxism, change through conflict. Sounds like Obama.
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marino says...
Cybertariat,
The thing about a cut and paste that happens to be a video is that it isn’t some made up opinion. So there are times for it. If I were to quote Obama, it would not have the same affect.
Opinions are definately like assholes, especially quite often on this site. So how about answering the question I posed.
Is Obama afraid to admit he’s Muslim? I’m not ashamed to admit being Christian. I’d have more respect for Hussein if he wouldn’t constantly hide his true desires. Wouldn’t you?
Along with that, aren’t there good Muslims and bad Muslims?
Just because Muslims murdered 3000 people at the WTC, doesn’t mean all Mulsims are bad.
Fortunately the only thing you lack, Cybertariat, is your common sense for politics. Jumping from Republican to democrat to Socialism could be a sign of confusion. And you still have plenty of time to change your affiliation.
fewenuff,
Are you Muslim? Nothing wrong with that. There are plenty of good Muslims. And plenty that want to fuck you up.
And Obama is?
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marino says...
Randy,
I forget he’s also a Marxist, and won’t admit it. He will later, when he’s out of politics. Just like Jimmy Peanut now shows all what a socialist Chavez/Castro ass licking, anti-capitalist he is.
Embarassing that Jimmy Carter was ever president. That sends chills thinking about it.
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roxi says...
Oh, i thought y’all were saying that ‘O’ was a commie? Now he’s a Muslim? OMG! Then he was a Nazi, according to Beck-Head – then he was an illegal alien ie: TEABAGGERS….gee, make up you mind!
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marino says...
…and has yet to admit that it was a mistake.
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Cybertariat says...
marino: “Jumping from conservatism-to-liberalism-to-socialism could be a sign of confusion [sic].”
Oh, but had I transitioned from socialism-to-conservatism our reactionaries would still be lumping praise upon me for, say, “a commendable sociopolitical metamorphosis” – that is, of course, if any number of them were so much as able to spell “commendable sociopolitical metamorphosis,” let alone understand its meaning.
Will their desperation to discredit ever cease to amaze?
marino: “Fortunately, Cybertariat, the only thing you lack is your common sense for politics.”
That from a man whose wholly idiotic assertion that “Jimmy Carter and Barack Obama are socialists” serves to reduce him to the status of a court jesture is truly amusing.
Finally. Yes, marino, I suppose that video clips do have their time and place. Yet virtually all of your New Blogs consist of nothing but video clips because, as that former right-winger, I can assure that you are towing an ideology that is a mile wide and an inch deep. I mean, do you truly believe that you have ever beaten me vis-a- vis any of our many and so-called debates?
Persevere. Guy
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dbeardw says...
138hwy says…
oopsbummer is what is known as a “one termer.”
Jimmy Carter was one. Even though 98% of african americans ALWAYS vote for a black candidate, it vote fly the next time."
What percentage of whites vote for a white candidate 138Hwy? What percent of Asians vote for an Asian Candidate? What percent of Hispanics vote for a Hispanic candidate?
You know so much about the voting habits of African Americans? Tell me, what percent of Americans have to get brides imported and why?
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dbeardw says...
Condemning Obama is a mindset that is attached to a lack of self-worth. Just imagine all that he has accomplished in his lifetime — professionally and intellectually — and those around here who are condemning him couldn’t last five minutes in an intelligent discussion with him.
Ah, it is better to condemn then to admit he’s better than Bush simply because his skin color is what it is.
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marino says...
dbeard: “…and those around here who are condemning him couldn’t last five minutes in an intelligent discussion with him.”
Yes, db, Obama is a well educated scumbag. He could hold his own and bs with most. But there are those that would tear him to pieces, sans his ’prompter. I truly believe you would clean his lock in a debate.
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marino says...
Cybertariat: “…do you truly believe that you have ever beaten me vis-a-vis any of our many so-called debates?”
The bloggers that have been here most of the past 5 or 6 years know the answer to that question.
(But just between you and me, I’ve been rippping you apart for quite some time now)
You have your views and ideas re. politics. I will never try to change tha, nore should I. Nore do I care what those views are…..as assinine(sp?) as they may be.
But I do know an asshole, I mean an Obama, when I see one. And so should all.
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PKShaw says...
Being well educated doesn’t make you smart; it just makes you well educated.
Being smart also doesn’t equate with leadership, in fact, the best leaders are only smart enough to realize they don’t know everything, but then they don’t have to.
What a good leader must understand is that a country is only as good as the people in it and you don’t build a strong nation on the backs of people who are too trifling to feed, clothe, and house themselves or to make decisions without someone in government telling them how.
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dbeardw says...
Being a good or exceptional leader means you know your limitations and you know how to surround yourself with people who can inform, advise, and suggest alternatives to you. It also means bringing out the best talents your people have to offer.
On the other hand, leadership is more than just have certain leadership attributes like charisma. Anyone who has studied leadership knows there are all types of leadership models from transformational leaders to transactional to hybrid models, etc. Effective leadership styles depend on the situation and the goals and objectives.
I would say a good leader can move people from being trifling to productive. A good leaders does not accept that a country is only as good as the people in it because people can change given the right incentives and the opportunity to change. There are so many leadership studies and models that show someone who is trifling can become the most productive individual given the set of circumstances, removal of barriers, infusion of incentives, and a belief in the organization and oneself.
IN OTHER WORDS, A GOOD LEADER DOESN’T SEE THE IDEA OF WRITING PEOPLE OFF. THEY SEE THE OPPORTUNITY TO TURN PEOPLE AROUND.
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dbeardw says...
Also PK — being well educated helps because that provides individuals with models, scenarios, insight into what needs to be done in different leadership modes.
Education isn’t everything but it helps. Only those without education usually down education. Those who want to grow into strong leaders read, study and then test out the theory or practice in their own world.
Never hurts to be educated my dear.
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whomeye says...
i doubt pk wants to be your “dear”. isn’t it time for your nap?
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No Spin says...
PK
Scott Brown is about to fix the problem..
So “real change” will begin “anew” as Obama will either take the Clinton Tact and lead from the middle like he NEEDS to do, or he will allow his ego to rule and he will be a one term President..
Point is…the American public, ultimately wins either way and that is ALL that counts…
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No Spin says...
whom
Dealing with diana is like multiplying zeros, so why bother?
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marino says...
Being educated has nothing to do with being smart, having common sense, etc.
Being educated only means that you have been educated in that particular field.
Perhaps it’s time for a successful businessman/woman to become president. Someone with experience dealing with finances. Not some community organizing teleprompter reader, that bows to other leaders, apologizes for us, was a member of a rotten church, and is the country’s biggest hypocrite after all the compalining he did about Bush’s spending.
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lancaster says...
yeah, kinda like some of those full of “common sense” bankers?
i know, how about the “common sense” car manufactures?
oh wait, maybe some of the IT “common sense” crowd?
maybe the “common sense” airliners.
wow, so many captains of industry to pick from! none worth crap!
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No Spin says...
marino
This country needs managers in DC, NOT politicians… greed for power has replaced the “will of the people” and it is about to change…
California will begin the “fix” with Whitman, a successful BUSINESS WOMAN, INSTEAD OF A BAD ACTOR OR CAREER POLITICIAN, at the helm and let us all hope the rest of the country watches and learns..
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lancaster says...
and what ever u do don’t get educated.
i would much rather have a surgeon with
“common sense” then education.
or a lawyer with “common sense” instead of a good education.
or a CPA? teacher? architect? master electrician? hope they don’t ruin they’re chances of doing a stand up job by getting educated.
of course bush was just full of common sense. what a great job he did!
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No Spin says...
As usual…zeroes are being multiplied again in here..
A combination of “street smarts” and “book smarts” has always been the benchmark for, what I CONSIDER, the mandatory foundation for anyone to ascend in any aspect of life..
To assume otherwise is simply stupid..
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marino says...
Problem I have with Whitman is that she’s a Van Jones supporter and I believe she wants amnesty.
Nightingale stands no chance due to lack of funds. Hate to say it but Jerry Brown might be the best bet. He’s for second amendment and would do a better job than Arnold with Ca.’s finances. Once again, a crappy bunch to select from.
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PKShaw says...
Marino, there is absolutely no way Brown can win this race. Even a lot of Dems don’t like him.
Meg Whitman is not a “Van Jones supporter” but even if she was it doesn’t matter. She has left every other Repub candidate in the dust in both polling and fundraising. As far as amnesty is concerned, that’s a federal issue so it doesn’t matter one bit what she thinks about it.
The only question we need ask as far the governor’s race is concerned is which candidate has experience in creating jobs. This is the number one issue facing Californians right now and Meg Whitman is the only answer we have.
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No Spin says...
marino
A wolf in sheeps clothing.. that is brown.. He will say and do whatever it takes to get elected and then, like Obama, will take this state even further into hell than it already is..
As for amnesty, not sure where she stands, but as long as the libs control things, we will continue to move toward “Mexifornia” and there is nothing the Governor can do, other than veto..
So California needs to do what Mass is going to do tonight when they elect Scott Brown….
After 40+ years of the libs ruining this state, it is time to kick all their asses out..
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No Spin says...
PK
You are 100% correct…Whitman is the ONLY CHOICE WE HAVE
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Cybertariat says...
In actuality, Patricia, intelligence is directly proportional to one’s educational capacity. Ergo, and though I do not happen to support him, were Barack Obama not extremely intelligent, he would not have attained the high level of education that he possesses. To that there exists no amount of debate.
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marino: “Just between you and I [Cybertariat], I’ve been ripping you apart for quite some time now.”
:-) I so adore your sense of humor, Shorty! :-)
back to it…
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A V Observer says...
That really isn’t true. Intelligence is directly proportional to what you can do on a test. Educational capacity is something different. A child has great educational capacity, but performs poorly on an IQ test.
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dbeardw says...
A.V. Observer, let’s just say you don’t have either — intelligence or educational capacity. But you do have a unique ability to determine what kind of deodorant Rex is wearing.
What a nose you have you ole’ sniffer you!
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A V Observer says...
Let’s not forget that W has a MBA from Yale, and no one thinks he is highly intelligent. Not even Republicans.
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whomeye says…
i doubt pk wants to be your “dear”. isn’t it time for your nap?"
Blind eye oops I mean Whomeye — I shall use whatever terms I feel like using, endearing or otherwise.
Let me offer you some advice — kiss my arse. As long as you hide in the shadows, you’re no more than a moronic jerk with a worthless opinion because you don’t have the courage to stand up for what you believe in.
Does that sum up my love for you, my dear.
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dbeardw says...
A. V. Observer: I like the terms highly intelligent and highly courageous. Now the latter one strikes my fancy the most. I would like you to tell us that story about Ron Smith guarding a door. Do you know that one.
And also tell us that story about Ron Smith getting in the faces of people collecting recall signatures not far from his daughter’s school.
You know the story — the one where Ron got all belligerent and demanding, throwing his title of council member around.
You know the one, the one where he also told the voters he had nothing to do with hit mailers and then had to admit he did under oath.
As Forrest Gump says “Ron Smith, stupid is as stupid does.”
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A V Observer says...
PK look out. Most people who the bearded one has felt “endearing” towards wish they could remove the memory of the experience from their minds. That is why she can’t keep a job.
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No Spin says…
As usual…zeroes are being multiplied again in here..
A combination of “street smarts” and “book smarts” has always been the benchmark for, what I CONSIDER, the mandatory foundation for anyone to ascend in any aspect of life..
To assume otherwise is simply stupid."
Jesus Holy Christ — I actually agree with NoSpin! I knew there was a God in heaven and a miracle would one day come my way. This is one of those days.
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A V Observer says...
Ron would probably be in for a difficult race if he wasn’t running against Johnny the Swindler. It isn’t Ron that caught the Swindler, it was the Mayor.
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dbeardw says...
A V Observer says…
PK look out. Most people who the bearded one has felt “endearing” towards wish they could remove the memory of the experience from their minds. That is why she can’t keep a job."
You must be reading some of that investigative stuff you and Mayor Rex like to engage in. Let’s give your thoughts the benefit of the doubt. Let’s pretend I can’t keep a job. So what? Maybe I get easily bored. Maybe I don’t like watching people laundry and steal money from children. Maybe I don’t like people who carry money around in suitcases. Maybe I like freelancing it. What’s the point?
At least I don’t take jobs where I’m suppose to watch out for the welfare of people and am the first person out the door. I don’t kiss the Mayor’s butt to keep a job. I don’t genuflect to the Mayor and try to be his errand boy to keep a job.
Hey, A.V.O. Pk says she doesn’t have to work — does that have any implications? I don’t think so but if that were me you’d call me lazy.
The fact is you can’t win a political race by blogging here and insulting me AVO. Get out there and explain why people wanted to recall you in the first place and you do have a job….
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Randy Hall says...
How much are us tax payers helping you now or do you have a “job” that pays the freight?
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dbeardw says...
A.V.O who is Johnny the Swindler? Be clear about who you are talking about. I would love to see that person get your IP address and legally tear you apart. Or are you a chicken fart who thinks he can hide behind mayor Rex. I rather think you are.
What about Ron the liar? Now we all know that Ron lied to the voters and said something else under the threat of perjury. That one we’re sure about right AVO?
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dbeardw says...
Randy Hall says…
How much are us tax payers helping you now or do you have a “job” that pays the freight?"
Here come the parrisites to help each other stay afloat.
I was about to ask you the same thing Randy about those golden variances where a potentially toxic business is located in a residential community. How much do the taxpayers have to endure as a potential threat to their health to help you make a living?
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lancaster says...
wonder how much it cost toyboy’s parents to set up his lil shop?
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Randy Hall says...
DBW, you sure swing around a lot of weight!
Too bad you have no clue what you are talking about.
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dbeardw says...
Gosh, I just love when the Mayor Rex team comes out in full force and starts reciting their script. It gives me goose bumps to hear all the waste material those scripts contain.
And you would think these same people are such great Christians and humanitarians. Randy even talks about the hosts he places on people’s tongues as a Eucharistic minister in church.
Golly gee. Holy, holy people putting mayor Rex on a pedestal. Now I know how Moses felt when he saw all those fools worshiping idols and false gods. It is so sad.
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marino says...
Cybertariat: “were Obama not extremely intelligent, he would not have attained the high level of education that he possesses. To that there exists no amount of debate.”
Bush had a higher GPA than Obama and I believe they attended the same school. So you, along with others here, are saying that Bush is more intelligent than Obama.
Twist that.
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dbeardw says...
Randy Hall says…
DBW, you sure swing around a lot of weight!
Too bad you have no clue what you are talking about."
I do throw around a lot of weight — however Randy meant it. But so did someone very close to you as your idol before he took care of it via chop chop. So did Sandy C before she headed to the chop chop table.
I think I’d like to be thin too. Did I tell you Mayor Rex promised to pay for me to have lap band surgery so that I could be svelte and thin like some I have just mentioned.
Maybe I should call and find out what happened to that offer too. Do you think he’s still considering it or was it just one of those passing things someone throws out there just to sweeten the pot?
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marino says…
Cybertariat: “were Obama not extremely intelligent, he would not have attained the high level of education that he possesses. To that there exists no amount of debate.”
Bush had a higher GPA than Obama and I believe they attended the same school. So you, along with others here, are saying that Bush is more intelligent than Obama.
Twist that."
Dear Misguided Marino:
Everyone except you obviously knows that Bush had one of the lowest IQs then current presidents. Bush’s IQ compared to a long list of reigning presidents was close to supreme ignorance.
Also dear Marion, Bush did not go to the same school as Obama. Obama went to Harvard. Bush went to Yale because the Bush family had donated money for buildings such as the library. There are many accounts of Bush’s professors wondering how Bush got into Tadpole University let alone Yale.
Obama was also Editor of the Harvard Law Review which is a very prestigious position. Bush got through Yale by becoming an alcoholic and hanging with the guys. At one point Bush’s wife was going to leave him because he was such a drinking fool.
Finally, Bush was and still is as dumb as hell. Dan Quayle was smarter than Bush and that says something.
Twist That.
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dbeardw says...
Marino, if I have misinterpreted your remarks, I apologize. Maybe you were really saying Bush is stupid and I didn’t get it.
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whomeye says...
message to me from the sleepy nut:
From: dbeardw
Subject: kiss my arse
Reply | Delete | Inbox
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No Spin says...
FYI:
Since no President since Carter has released their actual IQ’s attacking Bush’s “alleged” lack of intellect is simply based on politically driven bigotry..
If dbw is referring to the Lovenstein Institute study, then she needs to be much more diligent when she uses sources as that study has been proven a hoax.. and it was not based on an actual analysis formulated thru testing.
BUT… the best line ever did come from that study, which concluded Clinton the smartest and GW the dumbest and that was:
“The smartest president didn’t know enough to keep his pants zipped and the dumbest one thinks he can run a war”
And no matter which side of the fence you sit on, that is one funny line…
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marino says...
Dbeard: “Everyone knows Bush has one of ther lowest IQ’s….”
Please list your source.
“Bush got throught Yale by becomming an alcoholic”
Obama has admitted to alcohol, pot, and cocaine.
“Dan Quayle was smarter than Bush.” Perhaps. But from what I’ve heard of those that have been around Quayle, he was a very sharp guy. The media tried to portray him as some dumb ass.
But we all know whom the media sides with.
Marino: “Twist that”
Well done.
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No Spin says...
marino
diana and no one else in the world knows any past President’s IQ except carter because none have made it public..
So the “queen of mean” is “making shit up” as usual…
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No Spin says...
And Ray’s heroine, Maddows, is spinning the Brown win as a gender issue.. claiming the loss is a result of Massachusetts not supporting a woman..
I love the fact that the libs are still not able to see or hear or understand that the American public is pissed off…
So please … libs.. stay stupid.. please
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Cybertariat says...
“Because the – all which is on the table begins to address the big cost drivers. For example, how benefits are calculate, for example, is on the table; whether or not benefits rise upon wage increases or price increase. [”calculate" is not a typo.] There’s a series of parts of the formula that are being considered. And when you couple that, those different cost drivers, affecting those – changing those personal accounts, the idea is to get what has been promised more likely to be – or closer delivered to what has been promised. Does that make any sense to you? It’s kind of muddled. Look, there’s a series if things that cause the – like, for example, benefits are calculated based upon the increases of wages, as opposed to the increases of prices. Some have suggested we calculate – the benefits based upon inflation, as opposed to wage increases. There is a reform that would help solve the red if that were put into effect. In other words, how fast benefits grow, how fast the promised benefits grow, if those – if that growth is affected, it will help on the red." —George W. Bush, Tampa, Florida, February 4, 2005.
So, as an outsider looking in – as neither a Republican or a Democrat, I must conclude that the childish refusal to acknowledge the obvious fact that George W. Bush is of below average intelligence is just that; a childish refusal based upon a zelous devotion to so-called conservative politics. So too do I believe that many Republicans refuse to acknowledge that which is blatantly obvious about George W. Bush because they identify with him. Therefore, were they to acknowledge the fact that George W. Bush is in fact quite stupid, they would, by logical extension, also be admitting that they too aren’t all that bright, either.
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No Spin says...
guy
You now have gone to the same cesspool as other political bigots… There is ZERO data anywhere to prove your idea that GWB was “quite stupid”…
Presidential IQ’S have not been revealed since Carter..yet you sludge in here with your usual bullshit, only this time you use INVENTED Truth to support your claims.. VERY SAD
Congratulations guy for lowering yourself into the same sewer that lancaster and diana call home…
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No Spin says...
guy
Let me add this..
When considering Stupid, one must use common sense as a part of their formula to determine a “Stupid Quotient"
So.. I now have to consider, based on your idiotic contention that a Socialist or Marxist state would be better for the USA than Capitalism even though neither of those ideologies have ever worked, MAKES YOU DUMBER THAN A BRICK…
So.. I now have to consider, based on your idiotic contention that a Socialist or Marxist state would be better for the USA than Capitalism even though neither of those ideologies have ever worked, MAKES YOU DUMBER THAN A BRICK…Is that Okie Dokie with you comrade?
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Cybertariat says...
Apparently, our No Spin lacks the intelligence required to understand that George W. Bush’s own words serve to prove the fact that he is really quite stupid. Incredible!
Persevere.
Guy
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No Spin says...
YUP… I BE DUMB…
And you guy are superior because you want to have this idiotic back and forth about an IQ quotient that does not exist..but yet you, subserviant to his own invented magnificance, contend that you can rate intellect by simply listening to a speech or two..
Wow..
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Randy Hall says...
No comment butt, if you feel like an ass…
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marino says...
Cybertariat: “Were Barack Obama not extremely intelligent, he would not have attained the high level of education that he possesses.”
and this: “…George W. Bush’s own words serve to prove the fact that he is really quite stupid.”
No doubt, Cybertariat, you have seen many vids here of Obama falling flat on his face. Yet you call Obama intelligent, while calling Bush stupid, while witnessing both stumbling in many of their speaches.
Is Cybertariat a hypocrite and/or just a Bush hater.
No Spin says...
marino
Think “multiplying zeros” whenever you converse with guy.. it will make it much easier to understand exactly what you are dealing with..
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138hwy says...
Marino..
Holy shit! That is disgraceful. And this guy got elected? I am shocked.
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whomeye says...
those who thought they were electing nobama really elected his speech writers.
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marino says...
No doubt those that voted for Obama have enough sense not to re-elect him, no matter whom he goes up against.
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Cybertariat says...
Actually, marino, I know of but three (3) video clips which show Barack Obama “falling flat on his face.” But, in view of the fact that one of those clips shows Obama referring to Hugo Chavez as a “demagogue,” you should be proud of him. For Barack Obama’s sociopolitical beliefs are far closer to that of yours than they are to mine."
Persevere. Guy
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Randy Hall says...
So Guy, are you saying the pot is calling the kettel black?
Also is being a “demagogue” a bad thing? Isn’t having a belief system and acting on it refered to as being a demagogue? Isn’t a revolutionary trying to incite a comfortable people to join a bit of a “demagogue?”
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marino says...
You know of 3, Guy. I could post a dozen. Your political beliefs aren’t as close to mine as Obama’s are but then you aren’t the president.
And you know how much I adore politics. Now check out the Remington 700 5r Milspec. The .308 is easy on recoil and rounds are relatively inexpensive. This is one accurate sob.
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Cybertariat says...
Actually, Randy, no, a demagogue is a leader who appeals to the lowest common denominator amongst a group of people while manipulating their fears and prejudices in order to gain power. For his part, the nationalist – Hugo Chavez simply assured those who elected him that he and his government would do their best to assist that nation’s Bolivarian Revolution toward much improve lives for Venezuela’s social majority; an assurance that that Chavez and the Bolivarian Revolution have more than delivered upon, which is precisely the reason why capitalist-class politcal henchmen the likes of Barack Obama are compelled to suggest otherwise. For Venezuela’s Bolivarian Revolution is a threat – the “threat” of a good example set to inspire other highly exploited peoples. And that is a “threat” that the American capitalist class and its plutocracy can ill-afford to tolerate.
Also, Randy, yes of course my desire that the American people invoke the US Constitution’s Article V with an eye toward the establishment of the social ownership and democratic administration of this society’s means of industrial production implies that I am a “demagogue.” Yes, you so desperately need that to be so, and it is “so.”
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Related reading:
Venezuela Speaks; Voices from the Grassroots by Carlos Marteniz and Michael Fox, PM Press, 2010.
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Cybertariat says...
“…that that Chavez…” should have read “…that Chavez…”
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Randy Hall says...
Isn’t the “lowest common denominator” the body politic in a people’s revolution?
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Cybertariat says...
Should I understand your question correctly, Randy, my answer would have to be – hardly. For a revolutionized citizenry is by its very nature an educated and informed citizenry while, say, present-day American society – this land of debased entertainment, can be well-discribed as being amongst the lowest of common denominators. It is the very thing that causes so many Americans to actually believe, amongst many other such things, that Barack Obama is a socialist while the rest of the world laughs at us for our believing such idiocy.
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mattkeltner says...
Guy Marsh: “It is the very thing that causes so many Americans to actually believe, amongst many other such things, that Barack Obama is a socialist while the rest of the world laughs at us for our believing such idiocy.”
Not really. If you go to Europe, which I assume you haven’t? The centre-left parties there call themselves “Socialist” and the candidates say, specifically, that they are “socialist” themselves. This is especially true in France, Spain, Greece, Bulgaria, Romania and the Czeck Republic. In the Nordic countries, they use the designation of “Social Democrat”.
Barack Obama may not be a “Marxist De Leonist” by any stretch, but you cannot claim a copyright on the title of “socialist” either. To say that one thing is “socialism” while another isn’t is egocentric and only demonstrates that your perception of community and labour is biased and skewed, quite similar to a fundamentalist claiming that his/her church is the only “true” form of Christianity. There have been many, functioning socialist societies that existed long before the advent of Karl Marx or any of his later philosophical predecessors. Neither Marx nor Hegel, nor Trotsky nor DeLeon nor Engels were the first to chart a path with respect to workers and their communities and social ownership societies.
It’s a shame you haven’t allowed yourself to learn that.
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Randy Hall says...
So then, are we becoming more “educated” due to our access to the internet?
Is that why the net is so right-wing because it is becoming more “informed?”
How exactly did social “reformers” get their henchmen to do such awful things to the “lowest common denominators?”
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Randy Hall says...
Oh,MK, you said Guy was like a fundamentalist. I’ve been saying he’s following a religion for years now.
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mattkeltner says...
Randy,
As far as education and the Internet, I think it’s a double-edged sword. While it is true that the Internet is capable of providing a vast amount of information to all who access it, on the other hand, the greater public possesses a lack of discernment when it comes to verifying if the information that they are getting is, indeed, accurate. In the Grad Studies programme I am currently involved in, one of the topics we are currently covering is “Information Literacy”, which is basically the idea that one must possess a certain amount of education to be able to understand whether the information that they are looking at is accurate and verifiable.
Some characteristics of an information literate person might be that:
-He/She demonstrates skills using print and non-print sources .
-Is adaptable, flexible and creative.
-Understands and applies principles of intellectual property.
-Understands different concepts of information used in different fields of knowledge.
-Knows Qualitative vs. Quantitative research and when to apply each.
-Is able to comprehend and articulate the distinction among data, information and knowledge and the relationship of each to the other.
-Understands and distinguishes between the relevant, historical and current paradigms of information theory.
-Thinks critically and logically about information, especially about its form and content.
The problem with current society isn’t that there is not enough information available, there is! The problem lies in the laziness and reluctance of anyone to apply discernment as well as to go to any means necessary to get an accurate idea of what to accept or reject.
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Randy Hall says...
I thought that lack of discernment was the global warming crazies!
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Cybertariat says...
In light of the fact that Dr. Marx is one of the first things if not the first thing that comes to the average person’s mind whenever the word “socialism” is uttered, it should be axiomatic that it is Marxian socialism that is being discussed. So too is it the case that both Marx and Engels viewed “center-left parties” which called themselves “socialist” with a great deal of contempt. Referring to them as “bourgeois ‘socialist’ parties,” Karl Marx and Frederick Engels saw them for exactly what they were and still are – defenders of the capitalist system.
So should it be your desire to refer to those who ultimately serve to protect and thus perpetuate this ghastly system as “socialists,” I say so be it. As for myself, however, I will continue to adhere to the social scientific findings of the two men whom virtually the entire world recognize as the founders of socialism/communism – Dr. Karl Heinrich Marx and Frederick Engels.
“…quite similar to a fundamentalist [christian]..” Idiocy!
May all of you enjoy a delightful evening. I will! :-)
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Cybertariat says...
Additionally, were I to in fact “claim a copyright on the title of ‘socialist,’” I would not employ the phrase “Marxian socialism” as I so often do. Nor would I, politcally speaking, self-identify as a Marxian socialist were I to "claim a copyright on the title of “socialist.”
Matt: “There have been many, functioning socialist societies that existed long before…Karl Marx…”
As I wrote within the thread Patriotism “…though the Iroquois, other Native American peoples as well as many such ancient societies worldwide did in fact demonstrate socially organized and cooperative living arrangements, not one of these civilizations ever developed the sort of means of production that would have enabled them to adopt the sort of socialism<.b> set forth by Dr. Karl Heinrich Marx and Frederick Engels – revolutionary or scientific socialism.” (Thirty-seventh comment post – to which Matt did not respond. Emphasis not in original.)
So, again, the assertion that I am “egocentric” – that my “perception of community and labor is biased and skewed, quite similar to a fundamentalist [christian/moron]” is really quite ridiculous.
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Cybertariat says...
Once again, “…the sort of socialism set forth by Dr. Karl Heinrich Marx and Frederick Engels…”
It remains my hope that this will serve to clarify.
Good day.
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Randy Hall says...
On Glenn Beck last night he said Marx was talking about those people that haven’t industralized should be killed. Glenn wrong?
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Cybertariat says...
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Yes, leave it to a base, self-aggrandizing entertainer the likes of Glenn Beck to spout such foolishness whilst selling soap and the like.( send private message )
Randy Hall says...
Ok, I’ll get his reference and if it was Marx, why would a “self-aggrandizing entertainer” know more about Marxism than you?
If he has the Marx reference to prove his point that would make Glenn Beck a little smarter about socialism than you, woulden’t it?
What would be your title then?
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whomeye says...
randy you’ll find becks reference reliable/truthful. just watch…
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whomeye says...
randy that was the point of this documentary last night, to show the side that has not been taught or purposely left out.
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Randy Hall says...
I have it DVRed so I watch it again and get Glenn’s reference. I almost fell out of my chair when he said that because I’ve asked Guy what happens to the societies that are not as far along as ours and he said we would share with them. Glenn said just the opposite, that we would kill them.
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Cybertariat says...
Throughout the course of their adult lives, Karl Marx and Frederick Engels produced an aggregate total of more tha 40,000 pages of published material – quite a bit of which I have yet to read. (Hence, my being a student of Marxian social science.) Ergo, my guess is that Marx either wrote no such thing or Beck has taken something completey out of the context in which Dr, Marx had intented. Either way, leave it to huckster for capitalism like Beck.
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PKShaw says...
The point of the show was to warn of the danger in expecting/allowing government to become such an omnipotent force over our lives.
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Randy Hall says...
Beck showed video clips of George Bernard Shaw saying that every 5 years or 7 a person should go in front of a panel and show how the benefit society. If they are of no benefit they they should be killed, and Shaw wished he could be the sword that did it. Shaw even called up chemists to come up with a humaine way of killing so suffering would be kept to a minimun.
Beck said Shaw was a Fabian Socialist.
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Randy Hall says...
http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/Jshaw.htm
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Randy Hall says...
At 12:00 minutes into the video, it has Marx quoted as saying “primitive societives” and “racial trash” that haven’t evolved and must give way. Marx People paper April 16 1853. Guy can you verify where I can find Marx People Papers?
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Cybertariat says...
Yes, Randy, George Bernard Shaw founded “Fabian socialism” or “incremental socialism” (as if it were somehow possible to revolutionize any society behind its back – read: A successful socialist revolution would require the active participation of a social majority of those who would be revolutionized – an active participation characterized by classconsciousness as well as political and workplace organizing efforts.)
Therefore, George Bernard Shaw’s “Fabian socialism” is yet another example of what Marx and Engels referred to as “bourgeois socialism.”It has no more to do with Marxian socialism than does the idiotic statement that Glenn Beck so desperately attempted to tie to Katl Marx. Simpletons all!
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Randy Hall says...
The People Papers didn’t start publishing till 1856, so Beck has a citation wrong. I doubt he made that up so maybe he will issue a correction. I did find using a google search a 1853 New York Tribune article that Marx wrote that had a very similar phrasing.
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Cybertariat says...
PKShaw: “The point of the show was to warn of the danger in expecting/allowing government to become such an omnipotent force over our lives.”
All right, Patricia. But the problem with Glen Beck’s point is that, within the context of socialist society, government was we now know it would no longer exist. In fact, we workers would be the government.
So why would Glen Beck suggest otherwise? Because convincing workers that socialist society would be akin to that of the former USSR, et al, is a part of his job, which is a fact that is greatly assisted by the fact that the manipulative Glen Beck doesn’t know any better himself because he too is a willing victim of capitalist indoctrination.
Good evening.
Persevere.
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Cybertariat says...
“…government was we now know it…” should have read as follows: “…government as we now know it…”
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Randy Hall says...
As guy says, socialism is democracy. Anybody wonder why we have rules instead of the gray areas of a democracy?
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marino says...
For the first time ever, over 50% of union works now work for the government.
Come re-election time, Obama will pump them up.
When/if I grow up, I want to be a community organizer. Then when I end up running for president, your union dues can help me make more gaffe vids on You-Tube.
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Marino.
I like your videos. kEEP THEM A- COMING. This scum bastard seems likes he is on meth. Typical black person.
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marino says...
Ladies and gentlemen, for your entertainment, Obama’s choice for VP, and your vice president, Joe Biden.
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AVSky,
I didn’t for for him. And please don’t take these videos personal. They are strictly for entertainment. Cheer up! Here’s something just for you:
marino says...
Meant to say, “I didn’t (vote) for him.”
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Cybertariat says...
While attempting to verify Glenn Beck’s alleged statement that Karl Marx called for the killing of people who “haven’t industrialized,” I came across a Glenn Beck produced video clip entitled “Karl Marx vs. Ben Franklin” (a typically pedestrian affair intended to appeal to the easily entertained). In it, the artless Beck attempts to paint Karl Marx and Benjamin Franklin as diametrically opposed historical figures. Yet, what the simpleminded Glenn Beck fails to understand because he possesses absolutely no understanding of Marxism is that, to study the works of Karl Marx is to also study the works of Benjamin Franklin.
For example: Within Capital, Vol. I, Dr. Marx writes, in part: “The celebrated Benjamin Franklin, one of the first economists after William Petty, who saw through the nature of value, says: ‘Trade in general being nothing else but the exchange of labor for labor, the value of all things is most justly measured by labor.’” (“The works of Benjamin Franklin, Vol. II,” page 267. Emphasis mine.) So I suppose that it is a good thing for Glenn Beck that the vast majority of those who comprise his mousekateer-like audiance lack the motivation to read much more than TV guides and beer bottle lables, let alone the works of Marx and Franklin. For the socioeconomic findings of Benjamin Franklin and those of Dr. Karl Heinrich Marx are anything but diametrically opposed to one another.
“Randy Hall: “If he [Glenn Mooncalf Beck] has the Marx reference to prove his point, that would make Glenn Beck a little smarter about socialism than you, wouldn’t it [sic]?”
Sure thing there, cousin Clown.
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Cybertariat says...
Randy Hall: “…so Beck’s citation was incorrect. I doubt he made that up. So maybe he will issue a correction.”
Yes, Glenn Beck will issue a correction, and tomorrow the sun will “rise” from the west and then “set” into the east.
Randy, Glenn Beck is not a journalist nor a learned individual of any sort. He is, like Limbaugh and the bus full of other such buffoons, a politically-oriented entertainer<.b> whose job it is to condition workers into supporting policies and practices that do not benefit them. What’s more, while drawing a salary of some twenty-three-million-dollars per year, Glenn Beck has made the kind of Faustian bargain that allows him to cast integrity to the four winds while being able to sleep quite soundly. He is, indeed, a joke. Ergo, no correction is required of him.
So, Randy, the question is: Do you possess the intellectual integrity required to admit to your having been taken in by that puss-oozing anus?
Persevere.
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marino says...
Cybertariat,
Not everything Beck says or does is of value, just as many comments here. Beck is kindof a goofball at times but that’s part of his personality. He delivers his opinions his way, quirky at times and often of value.
Are you familiar with Acorn or Van Jones, or all the other bozos Obama has around him? You seem more focused on someone that’s breaking down your presidents corrupt admin then the admin itself.
Who cares about Glen beck. $20M per year for pointing out Hussien’s crooks. Worth every penny. And more.
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No Spin says...
Marino
The Socialist – Marxist Court Jester of this site deals in fantasy, not reality, so get into a “debate” with him is useless. This is a man who wants to destroy Capitalism while he enjoys the fruits of Capitalism. This is a man who will babble on and on about the virtues of a Socialistic – Marxist society and when asked to present a model for this change, he cannot because a successful one does not exist. Instead he attacks the intellect of anyone who attempts to spar with him because he FEELS superior to everyone who blogs..
So one has to ask.. Why is a man of such superior intellect bothering with a blog site cemented in a virtual community that he has slimed over and over and over again as beneath him?
Interesting study he would be if anyone cared to inspect who he is and why he does what he does…
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Randy Hall says...
Here are the proper citations.
“Until its complete extermination or loss of national status, this racial trash always becomes the most fanatical bearer there is of counter-revolution, and it remains that. That is because its entire existence is nothing more than a protest against a great historical revolution… The next world war will cause not only reactionary classes and dynasties, but also entire reactionary peoples, to disappear from the earth. And that too is progress.” -Karl Marx, 1849, Neue Rheinische Zeitung.
“The classes and the races too weak to master the new conditions of life must give way…. They must perish in the revolutionary holocaust.” -Karl Marx (Marx People’s Paper, April 16, 1856, Journal of the History of Idea, 1981
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Randy Hall says...
Cuz, it is possible your historical studies are as imperfect as yor HTML coding?
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whomeye says...
guy, if you watched glenn beck often, you’d know that he’s not afraid of admitting any mistakes he’s made. time and time again, he’s stated that if you recognize he’s made a “boo boo”, he would air the correction.
…as he’s done in the past.
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No Spin says...
I watched with horror “Live Free Or Die” as it is was all about REAL truth in regards to Guy’s heroes… Mao, Stalin, Che, Marx, Shaw and the others scum bags who have infested our planet..
Did guy watch it?? Lol.. I doubt it
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Cybertariat says...
Short of my knowing the context in which it was written, which Randy’s quote reveals none of, my initial thought is that Karl Marx was discussing the members of the capitalist class (e.g. “counter revolution,” “reactionaries,” etc.) But, in any event, he was not promoting the wholesale slaughter of entire societies that “fail to industrialize.”
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Cybertariat says...
With the manipulative and thus desperate assertion that Mao and Stalin are “heroes” of mine, aside (read: we Marxists-DeLeonists have spoken out against Maoism and Stalinism since their respective beginnings, who might this “Shaw” be, “No” Spin?
Also, “No” Spin, as I have stated within these pages on numerous occasions, I have no heroes – none!
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Ray Cunneff says...
I wondered about the “Shaw” reference too.
George Bernard Shaw?
Robert Shaw?
Victoria Shaw?
Shaw University?
Shaw Carpets?
The Shawshank Redemption?
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Randy Hall says...
Watch the video it is George b shaw.
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PKShaw says...
At least you knew it wasn’t “PKShaw” LOL!!
It was George Bernard Shaw
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Ray Cunneff says...
It never crossed my mind, PK. LOL!!!
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Ray Cunneff says...
I guess my reaction to the “Shaw” reference was to having GBS lumped in with Mao, Stalin, Che and Marx. While he clearly took an interest in socialism, in the context of Britain in the 19th Century, much as H.G. Wells had done, he was hardly a socialist in the totalitarian sense.
Shaw called Karl Marx “The Prince of Muddleheads,” and Marx had an equally uncomplimentary view of him. It was Henry George who became the guiding light of socialism in Ireland, the issue tied to “land reform” in which the Irish sought revolt against the tyranny their English landlords.
Shaw is therefore a socialist in the same traditions as Wells, O’Casey, Wilde, Yeats and dozens of other luminaries of British theater and literature.
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Ray Cunneff says...
GB Shaw was also a very witty man. Although by most accounts (mostly)faithful to his wife Charlotte until her death, he nonetheless carried on a passionate correspondence over the years with Mrs. Patrick Campbell, a widow and actress, who got the starring role in Shaw’s “Pygmalion” since all the other actresses refused to say the taboo word ‘bloody’ that the playwright had put in the mouth of Eliza Dolittle.
When Mrs. Campbell wanted to publish his love letters to her, Shaw answered: “I will not, dear Stella, at my time of life, play the horse to your Lady Godiva.”
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Ray Cunneff says...
Shaw was once contacted by the legendary beauties, the Dolly Sisters, who proposed that with their beauty and his brains he should father their children.
Shaw declined the offer, suggesting the unfortunate offspring of such a liaison might well end up with his beauty and their brains.
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Cybertariat says...
marino: “You [Guy] seem more focused on someone that’s breaking down your president’s corrupt administration…”
Oh, I see, marino, you figure that, the more often you suggest that I am supportive of Barack Obama – thereby falsely linking Obama to Marxism – the more likely it will be that readers will actually believe such idiocy. Cute. Very cute.
And speakng of cute, is it not adorable how, after I employed the phrase “court jester” a few days ago and within this very thread, “No” Spin repeated it much like one of Pavlov’s dogs. “Learning” to … uh, “write” by way of osmosis and immitation. Cute. Very cute!
But, “No” Spin, with respect to the way in which you regurgitated the phrase “court jester,” there was absolutely no need for you to have entered it in upper case.
So, you see, “No” Spin, osmosis and immitation will not serve you. A remedial English class remains your only hope.
back to it… :-)
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No Spin says...
I LIKE UPPER CASE guy.. it makes me feel all BIG and STUFF
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marino says...
Cybertariat,
I never suggested you supported Obama. I suggested you focused on Beck. You’re watching the mouse scatter down the hallway while the elephant busts through the living room.
There are plenty of Marxists, blacks, liberals, and socialists that don’t like Obama.
I even agreed to your suggestion recently that my political views are closer to Obama’s then they are to yours.
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Cybertariat says...
Actually, Ray, I believe it to have been Henry George who referred to the many-sided genius that was Karl Marx as “The Prince of Muddleheads” but due only to Marxism having become a global force instead of Georgism. Beyond that, much like George Bernard Shaw, Henry George proposed that capitalism would be tamed through the reformation of its negative social and environmental effects. But, as time and the failure of reformism have demonstrated, capitalism’s negative social and environmental effects are, in actuality and as we revolutionary socialists have forever affirmed, inherent and irreversible economic contradictions that cannot possibly be “reformed.” And so, to any and all forward-thinking individuals, it should be wholly transparent that it was Henry George, not to mention George Bernard Shaw, that was “the Prince of Muddleheads.”
As for the half-taught “No” Spin’s evocation of the name Shaw, he – “No” Spin had never heard the name prior to its having been mentioned within this thread but a very few days ago. So he “dropped it” in conjunction with Mao, Stalin, Guevara, and Marx in the direction of his need to appear to be an intelligent and well-informed man. I mean, what the hell, at least Mao and Stalin called themselves “Marxists.”
Reading causes you drowsiness, doesn’t it, “No” Spin?
Persevere. Good evening.
Guy
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Cagy Wolf says...
Karl Marx was a idiot and stalin lenin and other commie murdering scumbags fags like you cyberidiot.
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Cagy Wolf says...
Obama is like any other politician out to see what they can steal and put their buddies in jobs that aren’t fit to be in, like Janet the system works moron.
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lancaster says...
i hear he’s a satan worshiper.
better hop on it marino.
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