We annually accept more legal immigrants than any other country by far. And now we are supporting 10’s of millions of illegals, along with their crimes.
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there are 2 crimes being commited here.

1. we have a person, coming to our country illegally. for the most part,
to better they’re lives.

2. we have a large group of people hiring illegals. for the most part,
TO SAVE LARGE SUMS OF MONEY, and more detremental to the american people,
TO DRIVE DOWN OUR WAGES AND CAUSE DESTRUCTION TO OUR WAY OF LIFE.

which do u think i hold in lower esteem?
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but went after every business or individual, who hires a illegal, and put all of our resources to help all business to identify, and then NOT hire illegals, we would see a mass exodus of illegals out of our country.
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The government isn’t going after companys that hire illegals. That’s what bothers me. They are allowing it.

Teenagers that go for their first job often flip burgers. They can’t get that right now. You have mostly middle aged illegal aliens working fast food places.

The current 62% teenage unemployment rate is the highest is recent history.

The U.S. government wants illegal aliens and they don’t care what you think about it. I would report every business that hires illegals in a heartbeat, but there ain’t a damn thing that would happen to them except for a few token ICE raids.

Bush and Obama were/are on the same boat when it comes to enforcing immigration laws.
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That’s what I’m trying to do is get the government to fine and/or jail employers that hire illegals. That’s the reason I mention NumbersUSA.com as often as I do. They use us to send faxes to the nuts running this country, to put pressure on them. We need to let them know they are going to be replaced, and then do so.
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but this is were i agree with SS.
business owns us.

just watched robin williams come up with a great idea.

he suggested our representatives’ be forced to wear jackets, like race car drivers, that list all thier “SPONSORS”.
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besides the fact that it feels like someone out there won’t be happy till everyone is in jail, it’s usually some poor smuck who ends up taking a fall for the ones who are responsible for the crime.
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Businesses have been allowed to exploit the illegals for years and now we’re paying for it.

Lets Hold Mayor Parris’s feet to the fire with the new city ordinance enforcing the law on illegals. We HAVE to start someplace.

Lets get the names out there that are skirting the law and ask our city government what they’re doing to enforce their own laws.
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The problem is that the locally elected officials don’t want to do anything. As the church lady Marquez told me at lunch she is so ‘mad’ the federal government isn’t cleaning up the mess. Well with the mess the federal government has on its plate do we wait for them or do our mayors go in and enforce the law except if they’re friends, compadres, or tightly knit to investigate the transgressions of someone they personally know.

Round and round we go with no one doing anything. When’s the last time you read about a raid on a business? It’s just not the construction industry. IT’S EVERYWHERE IN TOWN!!!
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— Shelby Grad
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Lancaster really should have an ordinance that if you don’t make at least $1 million/year you can’t run for mayor. There’s such a need for so much cash to be floating around for these little projects.
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I would call our national attitude toward illegal immigration a form of social schizophrenia.

Our controlling majority political party (Democrat) wants the maximum number of illegal immigrants to arrive, settle in, get motor-voter registered, and dependably vote Democratic.

At the same time, they have to pander to that portion of their voter base that is productively employed but at risk from newcomers willing to work for less, and also to their existing huge non-productive welfare base who fear the newcomers will dilute their share of the freebees.

The result is a schizophrenic kluge of actions, where blame is heaped on businesses (a class that, by liberal dogma, is intrinsically evil) for hiring the illegals, while simultaneously avoiding any attempt to identify and deal with the illegals themselves or to dilute the array of welfare benefits we offer to attract them.
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grumpy, good thing reagan didn’t approve of amnesty. (to the tune of 2 million), or lil W trying to hide amnesty behind the whole “guest worker” program!
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it’s not like american workers are worth paying minimum wage to, not to mention all those taxes.

poor, poor lil business’s.

bad, bad dems!!
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And your answers to the points I made are…..?
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no jobs, illegals going home.
rather simple.

but if u really, really want to go after the lil brown man instead, well…
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Don’t you think living here on welfare (and birthing a new US citizen who will, hopefully, have a better life here) us better than a dirt floor in Mexico?

You see, the problem is that anything you do is, by definition, going after the “lil brown man”.

We’re dealing with what is known as a conundrum.
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say as you will, you’ve been here much longer than those birthin’ babies that are now fighting our wars. say as you will, they could’ve been birthed on a dirt floor in mx., but if were not, what’s your point?

Will we WIN this WAR, which is so IMPORTANT – or will we remain complacent and bitch about immigration?

Jus’ wonderin’

To promote war, to promote nation building or to deny citizenship to those who have served, and to degrade without a conscience is blasphemy.

The War is so important for Dick Cheney and the NeoCons to win. At what length will they disgrace the American public into gaining that ‘win’?

Yours in revolution.
Persevere.
Guy

Then why is the more capitalist a country is the more desirable it is for workers seeking less hardship?

“Short of that, the only change we will ever see will be the worsening of all aspects of capitalist society, including undocumented immigration, until that society is reduced to social anarchy that will usher in a new form of feudalism.”

Since the average “worker” can own a home, car, and leisure activity, why such pessimism? What exactly do you see that makes you feel that we need to revolutionary charge how we live today? You want more than you have, you want others to have what you earned?

Why do you have to be a hater of capitalism to be a socialist? Why do you have to be so pessimistic to be a socialist? Why do you have to see only the negative in the “green movement?”
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In a purely socialist country the productive segment, which has no choice but to work to support the parasites without reaping any additional privilege, either revolts or simply quits and joins the parasite class (remember the famous Soviet Union worker’s description of his life: “We pretend to work and they pretend to pay us”). Eventually it all breaks down, as we all observed.

In a purely capitalist country without social controls business and industry has little incentive to pamper the workers beyond what is absolutely necessary to keep them going, again leading to mass dissatisfaction among the population.

As the tightrope walker said, “balance is everything”.
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after milton and the chicago school boys had thier way with them, capitalist became a dirty word.
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While yes, it was the period when capitalism made America an industrial powerhouse and world power, a lack of concern for the workers caused all kinds of strife, leading to unions and legal restrictions & standards.

Also, without controls capital became so concentrated in a few ‘titans’ (think Standard Oil Trust) that the country appeared to be drifting toward becoming the fifedom of a few mega-corporations run by un-elected individuals.

Its all about placing limits on the power any one segment of society can wield over another.
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What kind of fetters should we remove because they are bankrupt and what fetters should we modify because we know they don’t work (welfare reform)?

Since everything is emotionally driven how would you measure marketplace success (greatest good for the greatest number)?
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http://www.worldsocialism.org/articles/pinochet_and_socialism.php
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President Theodore Roosevelt became known as the “trust-buster”, dissolving 44 trusts in his two terms as president (although his successor, William Howard Taft, broke up over twice as many in one term).
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wouldn’t it be nice if we implemented the laws we have?
like the shermen act?

no more too big to fail!

where’s teddy when ya need him?
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The reason capitalism has been so successful is that it accommodates and is powered along by the true nature of human beings, whereas successful socialism, if there were such a thing, would depend on humans consistently acting against their evolved-in patterns of behavior.

The endlessly parroted argument that the reason socialist societies fail is because they weren’t examples of “true” socialism is thin, thin, thin. Socialism has been tried over and over and even when the society is carefully structured and populated entirely by dedicated socialists (such as here in our own AV with Llano del Rio), always they come up against human nature and eventually fall apart.

BTW, thanks all, this is a lot more fun than working outside in the cold!
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G you are right even socialist recognize capitalism is necessary to put in the required infrastructure to even contemplate socialism. Also it took those willing to risk everything such as Getty to make something that needed to be “fettered.” Since that is what works why not export what worked for us and draw the world up to our level instead of transforming our society into something that is at best a bloody theory!
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Even in a heavily-Germanic/Swedish state like Minnesota that once provided generous welfare benefits, they have been experiencing problems due to people from Chicago, Milwaukee and Detroit finding out about the generosity of Minnesotans and then relocating to Minneapolis or St. Paul to take advantage of the states benefits.
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Randy says: “Torture followed by death works every time it is tried.” I tell you, the more Randy talks the more we learn about his dark side. Wonder if that includes children too.
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back to it… :-)

Hummm, odd reading of my post guys.
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and we can have public floggings for j-walkers.

limbs cut off for shoplifting?

prison for people in debt?

golly, what a wonderful world we would have if toyboy was king!!!!!
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I’ll be more aware of my reader’s reading liabilities in the future. My apologies.
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Out!
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reminds me of a woman i once knew.
used to make some nasty lil remarks to people, and always followed them up with “JUST KIDDING”!

and if no one laughed, it was thier lack of humor that was at fault.

might that apply here?
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I have always had the gift of a strong intuition and I can tell you, within fifteen minutes of walking into a church, if it is a safe and loving place.

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The rest of you, context, context, context.
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As in “she always TRIES to look nice, bless her heart”.
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Persevere. Guy