06/26/12 - 01:49 PM
Sovereignty Soldier says...
Why wouldn’t GoDaddy just laugh in their faces? Who the hell are these clowns anyway? Seriously the Obama Truth Team? And they can say that without bursting out laughing? People need to stop bowing to these clowns. Gibson Guitars has been raided 3 times now over wood they legally imported. They even have letters from India government officials stating it is all legal. Yet they raid and take the wood every time. They told the CEO, he wouldn’t be going through this if he moved the factory over seas. He should hire a group like Blackwater to guard his factory. They want to raid they gotta prove a law was broken first otherwise nobody gets in.
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06/26/12 - 04:13 PM
Sovereignty Soldier says...
Sheriff Joe Arpaio: “I’m Not Stopping Anything”

Real Clear Politics
Tuesday, June 26, 2012

AZ Sheriff Joe Arpaio on FOX News today: “I’m not stopping anything. I’m going to continue to enforce those state laws regardless of what the federal government is trying to put pressure on me to satisfy all these activists, which by the way are in front of my building right now.”

“Three and half years they’ve been in front of my building. So, I’m not going to bend to the federal government, especially when we still have state laws to enforce.”

THANKS JOE!
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06/26/12 - 06:16 PM
marino says...
Arpaio is doing what all Americans in his position should do. And others need to pull their weight and get involved in some fashion.
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06/26/12 - 06:18 PM
CMGINAV says...
Concentrate on getting a loyal sheriff into office and getting Baca out. The sherrif is an elected official and the federal agents have no jurisdiction in his county.
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06/26/12 - 06:23 PM
AV Town Crier says...
Obama truth squad—what a joke. I gotta job for them—prove Obama is an American. Prove some of the shit he says in his book.

plus, what wasn’t mentioned, like it or not, Obama is a public figure. Short of libel you can pretty much say what you want about him. He should be thankful he’s not a popular celebrity, imagine what National Inquirer would be saying about him; “Obama is really a space alien.”
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06/26/12 - 06:30 PM
marino says...
Legalizing illegals for votes. Talk about traitors. Sick bastards need to be removed.
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06/26/12 - 06:33 PM
AV Town Crier says...
Every fucking incumbent needs to be removed (and placed in irons at the nearest federal penitentiary.
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06/26/12 - 09:03 PM
Cagy Wolf says...
AVTC and marino it took years of conditioning the public with nonsense and fear of terrorism to accomplish what they are doing today. Namely committing acts of treason against the nation and its people, but it took them years to get this done.Very few people get involved in fighting back against the traitors in office for fear of retaliation. The Obama Truth (Lie)Squad is just another sign that this immigrant in the White House will do anything to stay in power to further his agenda of destroying this nation from within the system.All you have to do is look at Obama’s mentors and associates to see this. All of them ranging from Van Jones (communist, Anita Dunn (communist), Bill Ayers (Weathermen Underground), Rev. Wright (racist america hater) to George Soros all intend to bring this nation and its people to their knees. I agree AVTC every political leader who doesn’t stand up to this treason going on should be place in prison.
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06/26/12 - 10:07 PM
Martel says...
Lower than PIG SHIT
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06/26/12 - 10:16 PM
Martel says...
I just heard chris matthews of msnbc is paid by someone in the white house to say what obama wants the public to hear.
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06/26/12 - 10:29 PM
mvrwc says...
Martel says…

“I just heard chris matthews of msnbc is paid by someone in the white house to say what obama wants the public to hear.”

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a chip off the bush block. bush had him a fake reporter too.

anyone with video-making skills, this is an opportunity.

to the song, “anything you can do i can do better,” build a video comparing bush to obama. war. spending. economic stupidity. federal reserve.
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06/26/12 - 10:31 PM
mvrwc says...
marino says…

“Legalizing illegals for votes. Talk about traitors. Sick bastards need to be removed.”

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this policy brought to you by the democratic and republican parties.

opposite wings of the same bird.

bushy boy jr. – with a GOP majority, pro-border security tough talking congress – looks the other way while people pour across the border by the millions.

then, the democrat follows and through executive order institutes an amnesty.

if you liked bush, you ought to love obama. whatever bush did, obama does better. obama is bush on steroids.

foreign policy/war. expansion of the federal gub-mnt’. destruction of civil liberties.

bush gets handed a balanced budget and “surplus” and leaves office with record debt and an economy in shambles. the likes unseen since the 1930s.

doubles down on the federal department of education. unfunded prescrption drug benefits.

i need not detail the absolute failure obamanomics is.

liking bush and disliking obama, or vice versa, is cognitive dissonace at its american best.

gary johnson / james gray 2012

they are on the ballot on all 50 states which means they are able to earn the minimum electoral votes needed to win.

funny. i don’t see them on mainstream media.

i can’t imagine why not.
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06/26/12 - 11:18 PM
marino says...
The Obama admin is currently in charge of reaming.

Bush is smokin a cigar somewhere. Can’t blame him for Obama’s ’prompter breakdowns or current and future decisions.
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06/27/12 - 01:48 AM
avbornbred says...
If Romney chooses Sheriff Joe as a running mate, he wins the election!
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06/27/12 - 04:55 AM
Cagy Wolf says...
AVBB I’d even vote for Romney is he had Sheriff Joe Apaio for VP and I can’t stand Romney.
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06/27/12 - 02:56 PM
Sovereignty Soldier says...
Bush did many illegal things while in office. Not the least of which was to authorize the torture of children in front of their parents to elicit info in the war on terror. He also passed many illegal executive orders that no one called him on. They are all in it together just with a little different ideologies. One is more socialist, the other more national socialist!
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06/27/12 - 03:34 PM
avbornbred says...
Tortue? Who got tortured?
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06/27/12 - 03:40 PM
avbornbred says...
The anti- Bush media would have crucified (a form of torture) had Bush authorized the torture of children.

Keep digging. Stop digging stories out of your ass. Demonizing our military and President Bush to meet some conspiracy theory quota is ridiculous. The UN would have pulled any support of Bush.

The incidents where harsh interrogations of children were dealt with and most justified. The gathering of information in combat zones is very important and probably saved lives.
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06/27/12 - 04:25 PM
Sovereignty Soldier says...
How about Khalid Sheikh Mohammed. This man was tortured for 6 months before he finally admitted to bombing buildings that were built AFTER he was in custody.
So we torture him and threaten his family until he finally confesses to things he couldn’t possibly have done but as long as media is there to record the confession that’s good enough for the sheeple.
Just one of many who have been tortured into confessions. Timothy McVeigh also falsely confessed after some time in custody. Funny how after being in custody awhile they will confess to anything.
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06/27/12 - 04:55 PM
Sovereignty Soldier says...
Why dont you go read the declassified memo from John Yoo, you uninformed moron. Yeah just rely on media to tell you the truth. Why would they tell you and expose when they want the same ability when their man is in office. Does one mob family ever rat out another? Hell no, that would limit their ability.
Because I know your too lazy to go look for the memo i am enlosing the link. Spend an hour or so perusing it, you may learn something about your daddy Bush. Keep in mind that we created Al Quaida, and are now funding them in various nations as they attempt to overthrow governments at NATOs direction. They are a tool for us to use as a boogey man or to destabilize a nation.

http://www.aclu.org/pdfs/safefree/yoo_army_torture_memo.pdf

28 U.S.C. § 1350 note § 3(b). This definition differs from section 2340’s definition in two respects. First, the TVPA definition contains an illustrative list of purposes for which such pain may have been inflicted. See id. Second, the TVPA includes the phrase “arising only from or inherent in, or incidental to lawful sanctions”; by contrast, section 2340 refers only to’ pain or suffering “incidental to lawful sanctions.” Id. Because the purpose of our analysis here is to ascertain acts that would cross the threshold of producing “severe physical or mental pain or suffering,” the list of illustrative purposes for which it is inflicted generally would not affect this analysis.51 Similarly, to the extent that the. absence of the phrase “arising only from or inherent in” from section 2340 might affect the question of whether pain or suffering was part of lawful sanctions and thus not torture, the circumstances with which we are concerned here are solely that of interrogations, not the imposition of punishment subsequent to judgment. These
50 See also 137 Congo Rec. 34,785 (1991) (statement of Rep. Mazzoli) (“Torture is defmed in accordance with the defmition contained in [CAT]”); see also Torture Victims Protection Act: Hearing and Markup on H.R. 1417 Before the Subcomm. On Human Rights and International Organizations ofthe House Comm. on Foreign Affairs,
100th Congo 38 (1988) (prepared Statement of the Association of the Bar of the City of New York, Committee on International Human Rights) (“This language essentially tracks the definition of ‘torture’ adopted in the Torture Convention.”)..’ ‘. . .
5J While this list of purposes is illustrative only, demonstrating that a defendant harbored any of these purposes “may prove valuable in assisting in the establishment of intent at tria1.” Matthew Lippman, The Development and Drafting ofthe United Nations=.Convention Against Torture and Other eruelInhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment, )7 B.C. Int’) & Compo L. Rev. 275, 314 (1994).. .
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‘differences between the TVPA and section 2340 are therefore not sufficiently significant to undennine the usefulness 0 f TVPA cases here.52
In suits brought under the TVPA, courts have not engaged in any lengthy analysis of what acts constitute torture. In part, the absence of such analysis is due to the nature of the acts alleged. Almost all of the cases involve physical torture, some of which is of an especially cruel and even sadistic nature. Nonetheless, courts appear to look at the entire course of conduct rather than anyone act, making it somewhat akin to a totality-of-the-circumstances analysis. Because of this approach, it is difficult to take a specific act out of context and conclude that the act in isolation would constitute torture. Certain acts do, however, consistently reappear in these cases or are of such a barbaric nature, that it is likely a court would find that allegations of such
treatment would constitute torture: (I) severe beatings using instruments such as iron barks, truncheons, and clubs; (2) threats of imminent death, such as mock executions; (3) threats of removing extremities; (4) burning, especially burning with cigarettes; (5) electric shocks to ,genitalia or threats to do so; (6) rape or sexual assault, or injury to an individual’s sexual organs, orthreatening todo any ofthesesorts ofacts; and(7) forcing theprisoner towatchthetorture of others. While we carmot say with certainty that acts falling short of these seven would not
, constitute.torture under Section 2340, we believe that interrogation techniques would have to be similar to these acts in their extreme nature and in the type ofharm caused to violate the law.

Even if an interrogation method might arguably cross the· line drawn in one of the criminal statutes described above, and application of the statute was not held to be an unconstitutional infringement of the President’s Commander-in-Chief authority, we believe that under the current circumstances certain justification defenses might be available. Standard criminal law defenses of necessity and self-defense could justify interrogation methods needed to elicit infonnation to prevent a direct and imminent threat to the United States and its citizens. The availability of these defenses would depend upon the precise factual circumstances surrounding a particular interrogation.
A. Necessity
.. We believe that a defense of necessity might be raised in certain circumstances. Often referred to as the “choice of evils” defense, necessity has been defined as follows:
Conduct that the actor believes to be necessary to avoid a harm or evil to himself or to another is justifiable, provided that:
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the harm or evil sought to be avoided by such conduct is greater than that sought to be prevented by the law defIning the offense charged; and
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neither the Code nor otherlaw defming the offense provides exceptions or defenses dealing with the specifIc situation involved; and
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a legislative purpose.to exclude the justifIcation claimed does not otherwise plainly appear.
Model Penal Code § 3.02. See also LaFave & Scott, .§ 5.4 at 627. Although there is no federal statute that generally establishes necessity or other justifIcations as defenses to federal criminal laws, the Supreme Court has recognized the defense.. See United States v. Bailey, 444 U.S. 394, 410 (1980) (relying on Lafave & Scott and Model Penal Code definitions ofnecessity defense).
The necessity defense might prove especially relevant in the current conflict. As it has been described in the case= law and literature, the purpose behind necessity is one ofpublic
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policy. According to Lafave and Scott, “the law ought to promote the achievement of higher values at the expense of lesser values, and sometimes the greater good for society will be accomplished by violating the literal language of the criminal law.” Lafave & Scott, at 629. In particular, the necessity defense can justify the intentional, killing of one person to save two others because “it is better that two lives be saved and one lost than that two be lost and one saved.” ld. Or, put in thelanguage ofachoice ofevils,“theevil involved inviolatingtheterms ofthe criminal law (; .. even taking another’s life) may be less than that which would result from literalcompliance with the law ( … two lives lost).” ld.
Additional elements of the necessity defense. are worth noting here. First, the defens’e is .not limited to certain types of harms. Therefore, the harm inflicted by necessity may include intentional homicide, so long as the harm avoided is greater (i.e., preventing more deaths). Id. at
634. Second, it must actually be the defendant’s intention to avoid the greater harm; intending to commit murder and then learning only later that the death had the fortuitous result of saving other lives will not support a necessity defense. ld. at 635. Third, if the defendant reasonably believed that the lesser hann was. necessary, even if, unknown to him, it was not, he may still avail himself of the defense. As Lafave and Scott explain, “if A kills B reasonably believing it to be necessary to save C and D, he is not guilty ofmurder even though, unlrnown to A, C and D could have been rescued without the necessity of killing B.” Id. Fourth, it is for the court,and not tbe defendant to judge whether the harm avoided outweighed the harm done. ld. at 636. Fifth"the defendant cannot rely upon the necessity defense if a third alternative is open and known to him that will cause less harm.
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06/27/12 - 04:55 PM
Sovereignty Soldier says...
It is an 89 page document that everyone should peruse.
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06/27/12 - 04:58 PM
Sovereignty Soldier says...
No worries though avborn, your brand of patriotism will come back to bite you, mark my words. As you root for the death of Muslims in a foreign and sovereign nation, your own is preparing their own surprise for you and if you don’t follow along lockstep, you will be the one labeled a terrorist. Besides, the majority will be dead after they release their bio-weapons, while they(the elite) are safely in their underground shelters. I guarantee that tick in Virginia was released from a CDC lab somewhere!
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06/27/12 - 04:59 PM
Sovereignty Soldier says...
As if new allergies just pop into existance from no where. That isn’t how it works. They are genetically altered in the lab and released to interbreed with the new characteristics.
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06/27/12 - 05:29 PM
CMGINAV says...
BTW, may God be with Syria today and confound those who say they will kill all the jews in Syria and expell the Christians. May the enemies of freedom be destroyed in a swift motion!
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06/27/12 - 06:00 PM
AV Town Crier says...
CMG
Excuse my ignorance; I didn’t think there were any Jews (let alone Christians) in Syria. Why the hell would they ever go there?

SS

you are correct. Where did all these allergies come from. We didn’t see them when i was a kid growing up. I grew up in the SF Valley in the 50’s and 60’s. We played in the dirt, dug out forts in the ground. probably ate a ton of dirt and breathed in the dust including all sorts of weeds and other plants that used to grow in the wild.) Very few (if any) kids had any allergies.

As far as torture, etc. War is like sausage; you don’t want to know how it’s made. But it taste good. Things happen in war. War is not pretty. The men and women (boys and girls) are trained to kill in boot camp. I know, I’m a Vietnam vet. Problem is they don’t untrain you before discharge.
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06/27/12 - 06:01 PM
Cagy Wolf says...
We as a nation condemned the torture that the nazis did before and during WW2, it shows how we as a nation has lost the moral ground we once had and the respect of the world. I do believe in some circumstances torture can be used if the information would prevent american deaths, but only in that circumstance. Many strains of Asian Flu are bioengineered and have been released,as this is more dangerous then nuclear weapons and one day it will bite the world in the ass. Cause all it takes is one germ to make us extinct as a species, no one realizes how very close we are to extinction should one of these bioengineered germs get loose from a lab.
As for Syria we should not got involed and help the muslim brotherhood since they were an unknown factor. Every time we get involved in a nation’s internal problems we do more harm than good, at least that is what I have observed over the last 40 plus years. We could also do a better job of making allies and we would have less problems.
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06/27/12 - 06:38 PM
avbornbred says...
SS: I don’t root for the death of Muslims. I root for the deaths of our countries enemies, like the Taliban, terrorist, and those that harm the innocent.

I don’t trust the liberal US government. The libs are all about infringing on the Constitution and manipulation of our elections, laws, and the 1st Amendment. Libs are all about control and the altering of our history and the deletion of facts.

Just like the conspiracy theorist who fantasize about "the evil USA " that wants to lock us all up, take our guns, and remove religion from our society. Hmmm, if Obama gets re-elected, maybe SS’s fears could come true.
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06/27/12 - 07:29 PM
Cagy Wolf says...
Obama gets elected again you can kiss your ass goodbye, since all he has done is the opporsite of what he said he would do during the campaign of 2007. By far Obama is the worse threat to our nation besides illegal and legal immigration. Obama was mentored by the worse socialist,communist, marxist scumbags that ever slime their way across the nation. The MSMedia still protects this scumbag traitor and all the idiots who back this marxist moron. Obama gets elected again bye bye constitution and bill of rights, any freedoms and any economic recovery, since that isn’t in his agenda but to dstroy this nation from within.Glenn Beck pointed this out many times and told how Obama was going to do it. Rush also have said how Obama is doing it to america by further conditioning the public and brainwashing with the assistance of MSMedia. Its sad to see america going down the tubes because of the traitors in the White House, the senate and house and activist judges who helped this come to pass.
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06/27/12 - 07:47 PM
AV Town Crier says...
CW
That’s King Obama to you. He is a monarch. He executes laws via executive orders (which is legislation and crosses the line of separations of govt. branches.) He makes Cabinet appointments when congress is NOT in session to avoid the confirmation process (as in the Eric Holder case.)

You are also right about all these designer diseases. You know damn well they came from govt. labs. But, as I have pointed out before, all this was predicted in 1955 by CFR’s Norman Dodd.
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06/27/12 - 10:01 PM
CMGINAV says...
UN Asked to Probe Torture of 9/11 Mastermind

NYDailyNews.com
June 27, 2012

Lawyers for self-confessed September 11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed revealed they have asked the UN to investigate their client’s alleged torture at Guantanamo Bay military jail.

On the UN’s International Day in Support of Victims of Torture, Mohammed’s defense team revealed they had sent a “Letter of Allegation” to Juan Mendez, the UN Special Rapporteur on Torture.

The letter was sent on May 5 from Guantanamo, on the eve of Mohammed’s arraignment on charges for which he faces the death penalty.
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06/27/12 - 10:03 PM
CMGINAV says...
Your heros on the right like Newt and even the Knight of Malta Pat Buchanon are all sold out too! You are caught in a game they play and while you blame the left, and the left blames the right, they continue with global government laughing at you!
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06/28/12 - 04:43 PM
Sovereignty Soldier says...
Laughing all the way to the bank! They call us chattle, the mindless eaters, and they look on ALL of us with contempt. That is a big motivator to me. The fact that someone thinks they outsmarted me and they think they can manipulate me into accepting as truth what I know is a lie.
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