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Wednesday, August 25 2010 - 09:35 PM
Mosque Fallout
NEW YORK (AP) — Mayor Michael Bloomberg delivered an impassioned speech at an event marking the Islamic holy month of Ramadan, saying that not allowing a proposed mosque to be built near ground zero would be “compromising our commitment to fighting terror with freedom.”
“We would undercut the values and principles that so many heroes died protecting,” Bloomberg said at the dinner Tuesday in observance of Iftar, the breaking of the daily fast during Ramadan.
The mayor said he understood the “impulse to find another location for the mosque” but a compromise won’t end the debate.
“The question will then become how big should the no-mosque zone around the World Trade Center be,” Bloomberg said. “There is already a mosque four blocks away. Should it, too, be moved?”
Sharif el-Gamal, the mosque site’s developer, and Daisy Khan, a co-founder of the group planning the mosque, were also at the dinner attended by about 100 people, including members of the Muslim community and city officials such as police Commissioner Raymond Kelly.
After Bloomberg spoke, el-Gamal said he was “very honored and blessed” to be an American and a New Yorker.
“Mayor Bloomberg’s speech embodied the values and the mores that we as Muslim Americans live and cherish,” el-Gamal said.
NEW YORK (AP) — A 21-year-old man is being held without bail on charges he stabbed a New York City cab driver in the throat after asking whether he was Muslim.
Manhattan prosecutors say Michael Enright spoke to the cabbie in Arabic and then said, “Consider this a checkpoint,” before attacking him Tuesday night on the Lower East Side.
Enright was arraigned in a Manhattan court Wednesday on charges of attempted murder as a hate crime, assault as a hate crime and weapons possession.
His lawyer, Jason Martin, says Enright was a senior in college at the School of Visual Arts, lives with his parents in suburban Brewster and has done volunteer work overseas, including in Afghanistan.
The driver told police that his attacker asked whether he was a Muslim and when he answered yes, Enright pulled out a folding hand tool, reached into the front seat and slashed him.
Enright, of suburban Brewster, N.Y., was arrested Tuesday night, said Deputy Inspector Kim Royster, a New York Police Department spokeswoman.
The driver was treated for cuts to the throat, upper lip, forearm and thumb, Royster said.
The New York Taxi Workers Alliance identified the victim as Ahmed H. Sharif, a yellow cab driver for 15 years. In a news release, the labor group noted that the incident occurred amid tension over plans for a new Islamic cultural center and mosque in Lower Manhattan near ground zero.
“I feel very sad,” the release quoted Sharif as saying. In the current climate, he added, “All drivers should be more careful.”
NEW YORK (AP) — The proposed mosque near ground zero drew hundreds of fever-pitch demonstrators, with opponents carrying signs associating Islam with blood, supporters shouting, “Say no to racist fear!” and American flags waving on both sides.
The two leaders of the construction project, meanwhile, defended their plans, though one suggested that organizers might eventually be willing to discuss an alternative site. The other, Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf, said during a Middle East trip that the attention generated by the project is actually positive and that he hopes it will bring greater understanding.
Around the corner from the cordoned-off old building that is to become a 13-story Islamic community center and mosque, police separated the two groups of demonstrators. There were no reports of physical clashes but there were some nose-to-nose confrontations, including a man and a woman screaming at each other across a barricade under a steady rain.
Opponents of the $100 million project two blocks from the World Trade Center site appeared to outnumber supporters. Bruce Springsteen’s “Born in the USA” blared over loudspeakers as mosque opponents chanted, “No mosque, no way!”
Signs hoisted by dozens of protesters standing behind police barricades read “SHARIA” — using dripping, blood-red letters to describe Islam’s Shariah law, which governs the behavior of Muslims.
Steve Ayling, a 40-year-old Brooklyn plumber who carried his sign to a dry spot by an office building, said the people behind the mosque project are “the same people who took down the twin towers.”
Opponents demand that the mosque be moved farther from the site where nearly 3,000 people were killed on Sept. 11, 2001. “They should put it in the Middle East,” Ayling said.
TEMECULA (Time) – Temecula, California has little in common with New York City. But the debate over a new mosque in the sleepy suburban town east of Camp Pendleton echoes many of the themes expressed in the controversy surrounding the Park51 Islamic center to be built near the World Trade Center site.
In Southern California, the question is whether the Islamic Center of Temecula Valley should be granted a permit to build a mosque on land it owns next to two established churches.
The Islamic center currently holds prayer services in a warehouse next to a pipeline company, down the street from a smog-test station and a masonry-supply yard. During Friday prayers, around 25 local conservative activists stood outside shouting slogans of hate through a bullhorn, carried signs with messages like “No More Mosques in America” and brought along several dogs, hoping to offend Muslim sensibilities.
“We’ve never had a problem with anybody before this,” says Imam Mahmoud Harmoush, the center’s spiritual leader and a lecturer at California State University in San Bernardino. “It is common sense that you don’t disrupt a religious service by creating noise and bringing dogs.”
MURFREESBORO, TENN. (Washington Post) For more than 30 years, the Muslim community in this Nashville suburb has worshipped quietly in a variety of makeshift spaces — a one-bedroom apartment, an office behind a Lube Express — attracting little notice even after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.
But when the community’s leaders proposed a 52,900-square-foot Islamic center with a school and a swimming pool this year, the vehement backlash from their neighbors caught them by surprise. Opponents crowded county meetings and held a noisy protest in the town square that drew hundreds, some carrying signs such as “Keep Tennessee Terror Free.”
“We haven’t experienced this level of hostility before ever, so it’s new to us,” said Saleh M. Sbenaty, an engineering professor who is overseeing the mosque’s planned expansion.
The Murfreesboro mosque is hundreds of miles from New York City and the national furor about whether an Islamic community center should be built near Ground Zero. But the intense feelings driving that debate have surfaced in communities from California to Florida in recent months, raising questions about whether public attitudes toward Muslims have shifted.
In Tennessee, three plans for new Islamic centers in the Nashville area — one of which was ultimately withdrawn — have provoked controversy and outbursts of ugliness. Members of one mosque discovered a delicately rendered Jerusalem cross spray-painted on the side of their building with the words “Muslims go home.”
The Islamic Center of Murfreesboro became a hot-button political issue during this month’s primary election, prompting failed Republican gubernatorial candidate Ron Ramsey to ask whether Islam was a “cult.”
Another candidate paid for a billboard high above Interstate 24 near Nashville that read: “Defeat Universal Jihad Now.”
Evangelist Pat Robertson weighed in, wondering on his television program whether a Muslim takeover of America was imminent and whether local officials could be bribed. (The mayor of the county where the Islamic Center is proposed called that idea “ridiculous.”)
The members of the Murfreesboro mosque, who say they have always rejected extremism, have been bewildered by the vitriol.
Sbenaty, 52, who came to the United States from Syria for his doctoral studies three decades ago, gets misty-eyed describing the kindness his neighbors showed his family after Sept. 11. At one point, he recalled, he was in a shopping mall parking lot with his wife, who wears a hijab, and a group of locals made a point to stop and assure them they had nothing to fear.
The other day, however, as he was standing on the mosque’s 15-acre parcel of land just outside town, drivers honked and flipped their middle fingers in the air as they rode past.
“It’s tough to see that change,” Sbenaty said.
NEW YORK (msnbc) — In the latest in a spate of anti-Muslim incidents over the last two days, an intoxicated man entered a mosque in Queens on Wednesday evening and proceeded to urinate on prayer rugs, New York police officials said.
The man, identified as Omar Rivera, reportedly shouted anti-Muslim epithets and called worshippers who had gathered for evening prayer “terrorists.” One witness told the New York Post the man was “very clearly intoxicated” and had a beer bottle in his hand at the time.
“He stuck up his middle finger and cursed at everyone,” Mustapha Sadouki, who was at the mosque at the time, said. “He calls us terrorists, yet he comes into our mosque and terrorizes other people.”
Rivera has been charged with criminal trespassing.
A recent string of incidents – including the stabbing of a Muslim cab driver and the desecration of a California mosque – has some members of the Muslim community worried that crimes against Muslims could reach crisis levels.
Earlier this week, a mosque in Madera, Calif., had been vandalized with signs referring to the controversial plan to build an Islamic community center two blocks from the site of the September 11 terrorist attacks, according to the Council on American-Islamic Relations.
“No temple for the God of terrorism at Ground Zero,” one sign read. “Wake up America, the Enemy is here,” read another. Both were signed “ANB,” reportedly standing for the American Nationalist Brotherhood.
Imbrahim Hooper, spokesman for the Council on American-Islamic Relations, told msnbc.com that it is only after “times of severe crisis” like the Oklahoma City bombing or September 11 terrorist attacks that the organization has seen such an uptick in hate crimes against the Muslim community.
“I think we’re beginning to see the result of this manufactured controversy about the Islamic community center in Manhattan,” Hooper said. “I hope this is not an indication of a trend.”
Hooper said the organization attributes the increasing number of incidents involving anti-Muslim rhetoric as a product of an “Islamaphobia machine” that includes right-wing news, blogs and other media outlets.
When asked to specify exactly what media outlets are to blame, Hooper responded, “We don’t need more enemies right now.”
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Randy Hall says...
Why Michael Bloomberg is imitating Joe McCarthy.
By JAMES TARANTO
Michael Bloomberg, the mayor of New York, has an op-ed in today’s New York Post defending the Ground Zero mosque. Actually, the Post informs us, it’s an adaptation of “Bloomberg’s prepared remarks for his annual Ramadan celebration at Gracie Mansion yesterday.”
It is a low performance. Bloomberg panders to his audience by slandering the two-thirds or so of Americans who take offense at the idea of a fancy new mosque near the site of an Islamic supremacist atrocity:
Islam did not attack the World Trade Center—al Qaeda did. To implicate all of Islam for the actions of a few who twisted a great religion is unfair and un-American.
The substance of this statement is unremarkable: Obviously it is wrong to implicate all of Islam in the 9/11 attacks.
But the mayor employs scurrilous McCarthyite rhetoric in an attempt to inflame emotions and divert attention from a point that should be equally obvious: The Ground Zero mosque planners have implicated themselves by seeking to exploit the symbolism of the site, whatever their purpose is in doing so.
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marino says...
.“Islam did not attack the WTC-al Qaeda did.”
Understood. But there are plenty of outspoken Muslims that aren’t part of al Qaeda, yet want the destruction of the west. The civilians cheering the fallen towers, the Muslim rhetoric and intimidation, the rallys Muslims are having in London and other major cities calling for death to those that aren’t like them, the bending-over-backwords that so many around the world are doing for Muslims that they don’t do for any other.
People have become so intimidated. And why not?
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marino says...
This isn’t al qaeda or any other terrorist group. I’m not going to post dozens of similar videos. But there are plenty just like this.
American says...
I feel as though they are asking for a fight. I believe in Jesus Christ. I feel like these people are threatening to me, my children and my livelihood. I do not want to wait until it is too late to act. Is there somewhere in the Bible that describes a suitable defense against these types of radical Islamists (In particular, those who call for Sharia Law). I do not claim to be the most devoted Christian, but just wondering…is there anyone here that can point out a verse from the Bible that can guide Christians towards the proper way of defending ones family from such a threat as this one.
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AVSkyEye says...
American -
John 16:33. Jesus speaking: “…In this world you will have trouble. But take heart! I have overcome the world.”
I never understand why many Christians—especially the Christian Right—are always so fearful. Fearful of Muslims, fearful of terrorists, fearful of gays, of nonbelievers, of liberals, of progress, of change.
We Christians know how this movie ends. We win! Why be so afraid?
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PKShaw says...
Not fearful, just vigilant. A simple two word promise was made immediately after the attack on the WTC, the Pentagon, and what was supposed to be the White House and that was “Never Again”.
It is important that while we protect the rights of all Americans, regardless of religion or national origin, we also show our enemies that we have not, and will not, forget.
I hope I see each and every one of you at the 9/11 Ceremony at the Fallen Heroes Memorial, in front of the AV Mall, on Saturday September 11th, at 9am.
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marino says...
I’m fearful of complacent Americans and others that don’t see what’s commin’.
Randy Hall says...
Calling Swedish police pigs sounds like us in the sixties.
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avbornbred says...
Maybe Denise and AVEYESKY could define what they mean by “Christians are fearful of Muslims.”
People who are Christians, coservatives, or Americans, have the insight to see that radical Islam is a true threat. Christians and conservatives at least can see the threat. The touchy feely liberal policies, as see in Marino’s Sweden video clip, have allowed radical Islam to intergrate into Sweden, thus ruining the quality of life. Other Europoean countries like England, the Netherlands, and France, have been overrun with Muslim immigrants because of liberal immigration policies. These policies are allowing the bad apples of Islam to move into those countries.
While liberal embrace this open society and relate this to intergration, open borders, cultural exchanges of ideas, and tolerance, the same people moving into these countries do not promote any of those liberal qualities.
America is also confusing. When a person from another country come to the USA on a jet, they are checked out thoroughly at the US Customs at the airports. If papers are not in order, they are not allowed to enter the country. Yet, we have allowed millions to walk across our southern border unchecked. You don’t think our enemies know this.
Great video clips Marino. If I lived in a third world hell hole, I too would move to Sweden.
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avbornbred says...
Last night, I watched the video on Nick Berg getting beheaded. I had heard about the video, but had never seen it.
If you want to see the true picture of radical Islam attacking an American, watch that video clip. It made me get a cold sweat. I was angry and I echo what I heard someone say on TV recently, “I am proud to know we are fighting an enemy like that.” Our enemies are pure evil, and we are allowing avenues for these people to come to our country and to spread their evil ideology. All of the clips above are very tame and are public gatherings.
I ask that some of our liberal bloggers watch the Nick Berg beheading and tell us how it made you feel.
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No Spin says...
AVBB
There is no way the “Rabid Ones” will take you up on your challenge.. TOO much reality for a TRUE lib to handle
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avbornbred says...
that was one of the most gruesom things I have ever seen. You are right, they won’t comment. They might watch, but they will be in denial those are the guys who they support in Bush’s war on terror.
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No Spin says...
Nope..
Instead you have No Reply Skye posting one of his Skye Lies and Latanzi, right on cue, praising his hatred with an AMEN!!!
Laughable….
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Ray Cunneff says...
I am trying to draw a distinction between loyal, patriotic Muslim-Americans and radical Islam. It is both wrong and un-American to treat all Muslims as terrorists yet, for some, that is exactly what is happening.
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No Spin says...
Raymond is correct…
It is the Same as calling all Tea Party Members Stupid hick racists and worse..
Know anyone who does that?
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Ray Cunneff says...
Your analogy is more apt than you obviously realize.
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RealSteve says...
Ray
So how do you tell the difference between patriotic Muslims and extremists?
Is there a badge or something involved?
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RealSteve says...
AVSkyEye
Well one strike against a majority of Muslims, they are Democrats, so that’s one very large mark against them.
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No Spin says...
Very apt raymond..
And you, who slimes the tea party as a whole based on a few constantly along with guy, matthew and lame, making the point that to define an entire group based on a few is wrong"…is…
Well, that is quite amusing to me..
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No Spin says...
Again “No Reply Skye” ferments a discussion with his sewage..
Sad and pathetic
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Ray Cunneff says...
I have never “slimed” the Tea Party as a whole, just some elements within it.
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Ray Cunneff says...
And who cares what amuses you when you play so fast and loose with the truth?
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Ray Cunneff says...
Just yesterday, you confused one blog thread that I was involved in with another thread involving lancaster. I guess you think we’re all the same…
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Ray Cunneff says...
RealSteve says…
Ray
“So how do you tell the difference between patriotic Muslims and extremists?
Is there a badge or something involved?"
You can’t. Not by appearance. Not by labeling entire groups. Even the old “the good cowboys wear white hats, the bad cowboys wear black hats” doesn’t hold up. Hopalong Cassidy wore a black hat.
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No Spin says...
You invent the truth cuneff.
You know damn well that at guy’s LIB LOVE FEST site you went along with guy, matt and lame trashing the tea party AS WHOLE over and over again… all based on lies..
I am not going to waste my time looking for your attacks… You just keep denying, it is all you have..
Keep up the good work.. looks good on you..
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No Spin says...
The POINT is… raymond is correct..
It is both wrong and un-American to treat All Muslims as terrorists..
Just as bad as treating all gay men as potential pedophiles, blacks as gangsters, etc… IT IS WRONG
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lancaster says...
i’ve never slammed the tea party at all.
maybe donno can point out otherwise.
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lancaster says...
notice ANY remark by ANY lib is sewage or spewing as far as donno is concerned. way to go, donno.
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Ray Cunneff says...
No Spin says…
“You invent the truth cuneff.
You know damn well that at guy’s LIB LOVE FEST site you went along with guy, matt and lame trashing the tea party AS WHOLE over and over again… all based on lies..
I am not going to waste my time looking for your attacks…"
I’m afraid you’re going to have to. I know I spoke out against the violent militias and racist elements that initially gravitated to the Tea Party. But the whole Tea Party movement? You’ll have to show me where I did that.
When you say that I “went along” with others, what does that mean? That I didn’t challenge what they said, therefore I must agree?
It’s pretty clear that in recent months the Tea Party folks have tried to purge some of the more radical, repugnant elements from their ranks. This is something they must do if they want to be considered more than a fringe group.
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Ray Cunneff says...
The last comment I made about the Tea Party on blogav.com was some four months ago. Here is what I said:
Ray Cunneff » April 26th, 2010, 8:55 am
“As I see it, the problem that lies ahead for the Tea Party is “the devil’s in the details”. While the movement seems fairly cohesive in its disdain for “big government”, Wall Street, globalism and what they see as infringements of personal liberty, the consensus may start to unravel when it comes to specific proposals. The bottom line: anger is not a policy."
You consider this an attack, or “trashing” the Tea Party, No Spin? I invite anyone interested to look at that thread. It’s under “National Politics/Tea Party” There were 109 comments. I made only one of them. You might also read how No Spin (Wayne) conducted himself and the repeated warnings he received. He can’t blame me for bringing it up since he’s the one who referred to it in the first place (“LIB LOVE FEST”).
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whomeye says...
ray says:…violent militias and racist elements that initially gravitated to the Tea Party…
You’re kidding right? The tea party has ALWAYS had peaceful gatherings, shall I point out ALL the violent leftie gatherings?
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138hwy says...
whom…
This a trick that leftists/stalinists use. The Tea Party “racist.” What a f&^(*& joke. People also called the Minutemen racist and they damm sure knew that they weren’t.
The ONLY thing left for dummycrats to do now is to use the® word because even they know they going to lose both congress and the senate. DESPERATION time!!!!
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marino says...
I attended a recent Tea Party where one of their soldiers stared me down and made an attemp to intimidate me so when I flipped her wheelchair, the 84 yr old woman gave me the dirtiest Tea Party look I’d ever seen. Savages.
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marino says...
Sky: “..the entirety of my posts aren’t sewage.”
If you don’t mind repeating that occasionally it would help bloggers here to better understand where you’re commin’ from.
The FYI is appreciated.
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avbornbred says...
Using the desert island analogy. If you were stranded on a desert island, would you rather be stranded with a bunch of Tea Party people, or would you rather be there with a bunch of SEIU people.
Look at the footage of SEIU thugs at some of their protest compared to the Tea Party people. The Dems trash the Tea Party as racist and tea baggers, but ignore union thugs beating a black Tea Party member.
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marino says...
Steve says, “How do you tell the difference between a patriotic Muslim and an extremist?”
Does anyone have an answer?
Here’s a comment a read today from a person named Avihool:
“There’s no such thing as radical or moderate Islam. That’s a common mistake that people make when classifying Muslims on a moderation scale. The truth is that the guys in Hezzbollah, Al-Qaeda, Taliban, Hamas and the list goes on are 100% devoted fine Muslims – they’re not misinterpretating anything or are radical in any way -hey’re believing and doing exactly what’s written in the Quran. They’ll tell you that if you ask them.”
Something to think about.
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marino says...
If a Muslim adheres to what’s written in the Quran, is he an extremist, and/or a good Muslim?
Sky?
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marino says...
You’re like a kid.
“…the entirety of my posts are not sewage.” Hahaha….
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marino says...
You’re speaking at the level of someone that would say, “the entirety of my posts are not sewage.”
That’s your level. You needed to point that out to those that believe all your posts are sewage.
I bet there isn’t one blogger here that believes all your posts are sewage. I’d bet $100 on it.
And they would have to prove it. And I’m not going to be here all night. So they don’t have much time.
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American says...
Really, AVSkye…I’m kind of thinking he is 100% correct
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American says...
referring to your comment saying the guys was full of fertilizer (shit)
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Randy Hall says...
August 29, 2010
Cordoba Mosque Developer Tax Deadbeat
Clarice Feldman
The more we learn about the developer the less likely it seems the mosque will get off the ground.
The NY Post reports that Gamal has a signficant unpaid tax bill :
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2010/08/cordoba_mosque_developer_tax_d.html
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Ray Cunneff says...
It was announced today by federal investigators that a suspicious fire that damaged construction equipment at the site of a future mosque in Murfeesboro, Tennessee was indeed arson.
ATF agent Steven Gerido said today that lab tests confirmed an accelerant was used in the fire early Saturday morning.
The fire engulfed the cab of a dump truck, and authorities found fresh fuel pooled under a second dump truck as well as fingerprints near the fuel tank.
The site is the location for a new Islamic Center which has drawn increasingly vehement opposition since the “ground zero mosque” controversy, including protest marches and vandalism. A $20,000 reward is being offered to anyone with information leading to an arrest.
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138hwy says...
What is the freaking point of the post by cineff? That there was a fire? Bizarre………
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Ray Cunneff says...
138,
No, that it was arson. (see above post) The Muslims in Murfeesboro never had a problem in their community before this divisive controversy over the “ground zero mosque” in New York. Are you saying that you support arson against innocent American-Muslims?
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Ray Cunneff says...
The fact that you don’t get the point (of anything) is no surprise.
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roxi says...
138: “People also called the Minutemen racist and they damm sure knew that they weren’t.”
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Bingo! Minute Men are very popular in TN. Thanks for the offering, 138.
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Ray Cunneff says...
We’ve seen many hate-crimes directed against American-Muslims (citizens) in recent weeks. Most Americans can recognize that is is WRONG and un-American.
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Ray Cunneff says...
The point is, the inflamed anti-Muslim rhetoric does not happen in a vacuum. It has consequences.
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