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Tuesday, July 20 2010 - 06:00 PM
America's Ruling Class -- And the Perils of Revolution
http://spectator.org/archives/2010/07/16/americas-ruling-class-and-the
“By Angelo M. Codevilla from the July 2010 – August 2010 issue
As over-leveraged investment houses began to fail in September 2008, the leaders of the Republican and Democratic parties, of major corporations, and opinion leaders stretching from the National Review magazine (and the Wall Street Journal) on the right to the Nation magazine on the left, agreed that spending some $700 billion to buy the investors’ “toxic assets” was the only alternative to the U.S. economy’s “systemic collapse.” In this, President George W. Bush and his would-be Republican successor John McCain agreed with the Democratic candidate, Barack Obama. Many, if not most, people around them also agreed upon the eventual commitment of some 10 trillion nonexistent dollars in ways unprecedented in America. They explained neither the difference between the assets’ nominal and real values, nor precisely why letting the market find the latter would collapse America. The public objected immediately, by margins of three or four to one….
…How the country class and ruling class might clash on each item of their contrasting agendas is beyond my scope. Suffice it to say that the ruling class’s greatest difficulty — aside from being outnumbered — will be to argue, against the grain of reality, that the revolution it continues to press upon America is sustainable. For its part, the country class’s greatest difficulty will be to enable a revolution to take place without imposing it. America has been imposed on enough."
Randy Hall says...
“Important as they are, our political divisions are the iceberg’s tip. When pollsters ask the American people whether they are likely to vote Republican or Democrat in the next presidential election, Republicans win growing pluralities. But whenever pollsters add the preferences “undecided,” “none of the above,” or “tea party,” these win handily, the Democrats come in second, and the Republicans trail far behind. That is because while most of the voters who call themselves Democrats say that Democratic officials represent them well, only a fourth of the voters who identify themselves as Republicans tell pollsters that Republican officeholders represent them well. Hence officeholders, Democrats and Republicans, gladden the hearts of some one-third of the electorate — most Democratic voters, plus a few Republicans. This means that Democratic politicians are the ruling class’s prime legitimate representatives and that because Republican politicians are supported by only a fourth of their voters while the rest vote for them reluctantly, most are aspirants for a junior role in the ruling class. In short, the ruling class has a party, the Democrats. But some two-thirds of Americans — a few Democratic voters, most Republican voters, and all independents — lack a vehicle in electoral politics."
http://spectator.org/archives/2010/07/16/americas-ruling-class-and-the/
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Randy Hall says...
“By making economic rules dependent on discretion, our bipartisan ruling class teaches that prosperity is to be bought with the coin of political support. Thus in the 1990s and 2000s, as Democrats and Republicans forced banks to make loans for houses to people and at rates they would not otherwise have considered, builders and investors had every reason to make as much money as they could from the ensuing inflation of housing prices. When the bubble burst, only those connected with the ruling class at the bottom and at the top were bailed out. Similarly, by taxing the use of carbon fuels and subsidizing “alternative energy,” our ruling class created arguably the world’s biggest opportunity for making money out of things that few if any would buy absent its intervention. The ethanol industry and its ensuing diversions of wealth exist exclusively because of subsidies. The prospect of legislation that would put a price on carbon emissions and allot certain amounts to certain companies set off a feeding frenzy among large companies to show support for a “green agenda,” because such allotments would be worth tens of billions of dollars. That is why companies hired some 2,500 lobbyists in 2009 to deepen their involvement in “climate change.” At the very least, such involvement profits them by making them into privileged collectors of carbon taxes. Any “green jobs” thus created are by definition creatures of subsidies — that is, of privilege. What effect creating such privileges may have on “global warming” is debatable. But it surely increases the number of people dependent on the ruling class, and teaches Americans that satisfying that class is a surer way of making a living than producing goods and services that people want to buy."
http://spectator.org/archives/2010/07/16/americas-ruling-class-and-the/
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Randy Hall says...
“Since marriage is the family’s fertile seed, government at all levels, along with “mainstream” academics and media, have waged war on it. They legislate, regulate, and exhort in support not of “the family” — meaning married parents raising children — but rather of “families,” meaning mostly households based on something other than marriage. The institution of no-fault divorce diminished the distinction between cohabitation and marriage — except that husbands are held financially responsible for the children they father, while out-of-wedlock fathers are not. The tax code penalizes marriage and forces those married couples who raise their own children to subsidize “child care” for those who do not. Top Republicans and Democrats have also led society away from the very notion of marital fidelity by precept as well as by parading their affairs. For example, in 1997 the Democratic administration’s secretary of defense and the Republican Senate’s majority leader (joined by the New York Times et al.) condemned the military’s practice of punishing officers who had extramarital affairs. While the military had assumed that honoring marital vows is as fundamental to the integrity of its units as it is to that of society, consensus at the top declared that insistence on fidelity is “contrary to societal norms.” Not surprisingly, rates of marriage in America have decreased as out-of-wedlock births have increased. The biggest demographic consequence has been that about one in five of all households are women alone or with children, in which case they have about a four in 10 chance of living in poverty. Since unmarried mothers often are or expect to be clients of government services, it is not surprising that they are among the Democratic Party’s most faithful voters." http://spectator.org/archives/2010/07/16/americas-ruling-class-and-the/
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lancaster says...
toyboy, does this mean ur 1st divorce was a attack by the government?
(didn’t mean to interrupt ur conversation with yourself, lol)
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Randy Hall says...
“Describing America’s country class is problematic because it is so heterogeneous. It has no privileged podiums, and speaks with many voices, often inharmonious. It shares above all the desire to be rid of rulers it regards inept and haughty. It defines itself practically in terms of reflexive reaction against the rulers’ defining ideas and proclivities — e.g., ever higher taxes and expanding government, subsidizing political favorites, social engineering, approval of abortion, etc. Many want to restore a way of life largely superseded. Demographically, the country class is the other side of the ruling class’s coin: its most distinguishing characteristics are marriage, children, and religious practice. While the country class, like the ruling class, includes the professionally accomplished and the mediocre, geniuses and dolts, it is different because of its non-orientation to government and its members’ yearning to rule themselves rather than be ruled by others.”
http://spectator.org/archives/2010/07/16/americas-ruling-class-and-the/
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Randy Hall says...
lanc, i want to be perfect like you. show me how to be as happy as you are. is it pride in your children? could it be your beautiful wife? how about your spotless home and yard? is it some sort of zen thing where you can feel this superior to others? teach me old zen master to become as happy and well as you.
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Randy Hall says...
“The Classes Clash
The ruling class’s appetite for deference, power, and perks grows. The country class disrespects its rulers, wants to curtail their power and reduce their perks. The ruling class wears on its sleeve the view that the rest of Americans are racist, greedy, and above all stupid. The country class is ever more convinced that our rulers are corrupt, malevolent, and inept. The rulers want the ruled to shut up and obey. The ruled want self-governance. The clash between the two is about which side’s vision of itself and of the other is right and which is wrong. Because each side — especially the ruling class — embodies its views on the issues, concessions by one side to another on any issue tend to discredit that side’s view of itself. One side or the other will prevail. The clash is as sure and momentous as its outcome is unpredictable."
http://spectator.org/archives/2010/07/16/americas-ruling-class-and-the/
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Randy Hall says...
“Yet to defend the country class, to break down the ruling class’s presumptions, it has no choice but to imitate the Democrats, at least in some ways and for a while. Consider: The ruling class denies its opponents’ legitimacy. Seldom does a Democratic official or member of the ruling class speak on public affairs without reiterating the litany of his class’s claim to authority, contrasting it with opponents who are either uninformed, stupid, racist, shills for business, violent, fundamentalist, or all of the above. They do this in the hope that opponents, hearing no other characterizations of themselves and no authoritative voice discrediting the ruling class, will be dispirited. For the country class seriously to contend for self-governance, the political party that represents it will have to discredit not just such patent frauds as ethanol mandates, the pretense that taxes can control “climate change,” and the outrage of banning God from public life. More important, such a serious party would have to attack the ruling class’s fundamental claims to its superior intellect and morality in ways that dispirit the target and hearten one’s own. The Democrats having set the rules of modern politics, opponents who want electoral success are obliged to follow them."
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Randy Hall says...
lanc, how can i be only conversing with myself if you are reading these posts?
BTW, thank you for reading them.
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avbornbred says...
If Obama is successfull in wrecking the US economy, I am sure the private sector will figure a way to survive and profit.
The private sector is motivated to succeed. There are brilliant minds out there who will figure out how to bring our economy back from extinction through private sector business practices.
It is hard to figure the left out. Many of Obama’s staunchest supporters accept that many of the liberal leadership are millionares. These liberal leaders never lead by example. They have profited from being brilliant business minds, and learned how to profit from the support of the lower and middle class liberal thinkers. Liberals love Warren Buffet, but hate large companies like Haliburton.
I am still trying to figure out the liberal mind set. Reading postings from our liberal friends Roxi, lancaster, Matt, AVSKYEYE, and Denise still confuse me. Their only direction is to attack the right, support the left, criticise the middle, and denounce God overhead.
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No Spin says...
AVB
Trust the American People who will send these thieves home in November..REAL change will then begin..
And in 2012 Hussein Obama will be sent back to Chicago where he belongs..
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No Spin says...
Vilsack just threw himself on the Grenade for Hussein over the Sherrod mess…
And BLOGO’s defense rests so Dead Fish and other Obama henchmen will not have to testify..
Coincidence? I think not..
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Amir Raheem says...
The whole tape
watch all of what she said…not what someone wants you to believe she said…
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No Spin says...
Exactly what Glen Beck said yesterday before anyone else… He stuck up for Sherrod when so many others, including the White House, were crucifying her..
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No Spin says...
I am sure lamecaster and other libs will be here soon applauding Beck for his efforts, unless they are too busy on the DEAD SITE trying to resuscitate it..
MAY need REALLY big paddles for that.. LOL
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Amir Raheem says...
Exactly….It would be nice if people could stop calling each other names and focus on the facts.
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Amir Raheem says...
Beck deserves credit…Then it is frightening how people (left & right) will say and do anything to try and validate their point. When in fact there are only two forces at work in this world….the haves and the have nots.
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No Spin says...
Amir
and Kudos to Vilsack for his apology..It may have been a political move to shield Obama, we may never know, but it was gracious, humbling and I respect him for it..
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Amir Raheem says...
I felt it was a sincere apology…I believe him when he said it was he that did the deed. I hope people are starting to see how the little guy (us) is being manipulated by all of these power hungery wanna-be politicians.
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Amir Raheem says...
Can everyone stop calling each other racist long enough to view the truth. I get called that because of my position on illegal immigration. I plan on attending the Tea Party rally on Sat. Does that make me a two time racist :-)
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mattkeltner says...
Avborninbred: “Reading postings from our liberal friends Roxi, lancaster, Matt, AVSKYEYE, and Denise still confuse me. Their only direction is to attack the right, support the left, criticise the middle, and denounce God overhead.
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The fact that you believe, like a child, that God is “overhead”, just demontrates how shallow your theology is! Do you still believe that the earth is flat? Do you still believe in Ptolemaic astronomy?
None of us have “denounced God”. Denise is a Christian, I have my own belief on God and so do Roxie and Lancaster. Just because we aren’t right-wing fundamentalists like you doesn’t make any of us an atheist.
Then you wonder why people think you’re stupid? I wish Marv Crist would make everyone pass an I.Q. test before being allowed to blog here.
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No Spin says...
Matty..
Aww..how cute.. as usual, following the Keltner script of how to be a complete ass, you call another blogger stupid..
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Is all you have at your disposal rumor mongering, intellect assault and acting the BIG MAN ON CAMPUS by betraying bloggers you called friends once?
Come on Matty.. Give it a shot.. try DEBATING… LOL
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mattkeltner says...
What happened to Shirley can be laid at the feet of the Tea Party – a movement that is based in hatred and vengefulness:
Wednesday, July 21, 2010
Shirley Sherrod Fired: Tea-Party Strikes again
Shirley Sherrod of the US Department of Agriculture was fired because some Tea-Party conservative Andrew Breitbart did a hatchet job on her. Faux News jumped in to provide shock and awe to the story to ensure that Sherrod was fired. Shirley Sherrod is a black woman and she was accused of discriminating against a white farmer many years ago. It turns out she did not and she was just making a case on how to avoid racism, when tempted, in a speech to N.A.A.C.P. Andrew Breitbart totally misrepresented her speech to carry out a smear campaign. The following video from Chris Matthews, Hardball, MSNBC explains this latest saga of news manipulation by the Tea Party to do some damage. Watch out folks, this virus of Tea Party is spreading as it is quite infectious.
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Yes, Tea Partiers, be proud of yourselves!
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No Spin says...
Complete BULL SHIT and another childish CUT and PASTE from the boy child..
And he calls OTHERS stupid..
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mattkeltner says...
Debate it, or can you? (I doubt it)
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No Spin says...
GLEN BECK REPORTED YESTERDAY LIVE that the story was taken out of context and that NO ONE knows who Edited the Britebart VIDEO.. NO ONE…
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Amir Raheem says...
NS. Like Mrs. Sherrod, I had a great deal of hate in my heart but I grew up, and had to face some facts. Now I see the struggle not of race… but the poor have been blamed for all problems…and if one looks at the facts, being poor has nothing to do with color. While driving a truck across country, I saw neighborhoods of all demographics. The so called middle class is but an illusion, one pay check, one lay-off away from the welfare line we have got to come together as one people if this nation is going to survive.
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No Spin says...
I just did CLOWN… I saw BECK and he DISPUTED the VIDEO… So take your childish crap and post it on the Marsh site where you can all wallow in your lies and hatred
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No Spin says...
And Shepard refused to air it until it was verified..
NAME the FOX CAST that supported the lie Matt?
Smith? O’Reilly? Greta?
And then look at all the OTHERS that ran with the story.. How come no attack of them Matt?
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No Spin says...
It is idiots like whoever edited the tape and baiters like Keltner who perpetuate this crap…
He continues to promote these lies about the tea party never have attended a RALLY or meeting, instead slithering thru google until he finds some post that he WANTS to be true.
INVENTED truth is his only weapon
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No Spin says...
That is why the MARSH site died.. Same as why MSNBC, CNN, NY TIMES, etc. are all dying..
Keltner and his ilk are soon to be extinct except in their little dens of slime where they can bathe in lies and hatred together…
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Amir Raheem says...
Matt I want to address what you just said…but what can I say…when you castigate the many for the actions of the few (hatred and vengefulness). That by virtue of it self can be construed as bigoted. I know some members of the local Tea Party and wouldn’t describe them as you just have.
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No Spin says...
GREAT post Amir and I wish I was in town this weekend to attend the rally..
Hopefully you can author a journal of your experience there for all to read..
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No Spin says...
Like the MSNBC video of the KKK guy at a rally where they only showed him for 45 seconds and stopped before viewers could hear and see TONS of tea party members demanding he leave, which he did…
Matty must have a degree in ideological bigotry, because there is no explanation for his rages..
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Amir Raheem says...
I shall do my best NS. Never been to one of their rallies, which is why I’m going. I like to get my experience/knowledge first hand.
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mattkeltner says...
Amir Raheem says…"
Matt I want to address what you just said…but what can I say…when you castigate the many for the actions of the few."
The Tea Party is based on hypocrisy and hatred.
The Tea Party is based on preserving the disparity between the “haves” and “have nots” that you described above. Is it just a coincidence that the Tea Party is almost entirely composed of radical, right-wing Republicans who hate the president, hate poor people, hate liberals, Democrats, undocumented labourers? Anyone who is involved with the Tea Party is condoning this.
When you arrive, they will probably either rush upon and pretend to embrace you because you bring your ethnicity to their movement and can use you to nullify any suspected racism, meanwhile, the other half will hold you in contempt and suspect you of “spying” on them.
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Ginny says...
I enjoy your posts, Amir. They are fair and balanced if I may use those terms. Sadly, many posters here (not all seem to be “right fighters” and I do not mean right regarding a political party. Heaven forbid one should actually have an opposite opinion from those that have to be correct 100 per cent of the time. The comments made that certain party members are “all idiots” and the other party members are labeled the same. There are actually people who use critical thinking before they post (I am sure I will have some retort on this one). Do “some” of you have anger issues or is it perhaps alcohol problems? I truly wonder because this could be a truly interesting site with interaction if there was not so much hatred, condescending manners, and, as I say, “right fighting.”
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Randy Hall says...
Hating MK, is a projection of something you hold dear to yourself. Judgeing others without knowing them is simply wrong.
You said I hate school teachers because I point out what a failure our public school system is. I don’t hate teachers, I’m married to one. I hate what the institution has become.
Taking from the productive and giving to the unproductive has been an evil that we have tolerated because we have been told we are stingy. Well we are fed up with single-parents homes and disfunctional schools. Your way the old way doesn’t work anymore.
To tar and feather someone who see what a failure those institutions are is to say you love that failure.
That is afterall the logic you just showed me.
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Amir Raheem says...
Matt I can’t help but feel that you are having some issue with hate. Just who or what is it that has gotten you this way. The last time you and I went back and forth you were berating Christianity, just to have you post that “Denise is a Christian” I’m not sure what to make of all that you said prior. As I said I know some of the members and they don’t fit your description. I don’t expect everyone to love me. I would think something was wrong if everybody suddenly loved Amir.
Ginny I’m going to try and get some honest interviews. I don’t work for anyone, so I don’t have to please anyone. I’ll let those that I speak with use their own words and the listener can decide for themselves. Thanks Ginny I have found this site to have become a wicked and sometimes evil place but, I try not to judge the many because of the few.
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mattkeltner says...
Randy: “I hate what the institution has become.”
…Which is how many people feel about Christianity. I don’t hate Christianity. I used to, but I have gotten over it now. Growing up and loving something and then having it turn it’s back on you and condemn you is enough to cause hatred. Again, though, I don’t bear this hatred anymore.
When I hear someone say that they “hate” Christianity, however, I know exactly where they are coming from. The institution of Christianity, today, looks nothing like what the historical Jesus preached.
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No Spin says...
O’Reilly just issued an apology for doing the same thing Vilsack did.. he admitted he should have done better research..
Class act.. Same as vilsack..
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No Spin says...
Matt is a troubled soul who chooses hatred over sanity, attacking people he has never met, slandering an entire group based on ZERO FACTS..
Matt is a ideological Bigot-Racist who is blinded by his own rage of anything and everything HE DECIDES is unjust.. The PROBLEM is his hatred is based on invented truth..
He has made some OUTRAGEOUS claims in here like how he will be murdered by the LBC, etc..LOL..
Consider the source, pay him no mind and keep him in your prayers as he needs all the help he can get..
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No Spin says...
I look forward to your reporting of the Rally Amir..
Thanks for deciding to do it..
Why not take Matt with you?
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Randy Hall says...
MK, the “institution of Christianity” is what each individual makes of it. To hate a message of love one another like your brother is…well it’s not normal.
The institution of education has created those that hate others that don’t conform to some state-like religion.
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No Spin says…
O’Reilly just issued an apology for doing the same thing Vilsack did.. he admitted he should have done better research..Class act.. Same as vilsack..
Love the back-peddling! LOL!
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Amir Raheem says...
NS HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA wait let me wipe away the tears…HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA,HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA ok ok no no HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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mattkeltner says...
Randy Hall says…“
MK, the ‘institution of Christianity’ is what each individual makes of it. To hate a message of love one another like your brother is…well it’s not normal.”
You don’t “love” me Randy! …and I don’t know you enough to “love” you either. So, that’s nonsense! So, let’s quit pretending otherwise.
Slaughtering people who don’t adhere to your views (which is what Christians have done to Native Americans and Jews, among others, is not “love”. Using your church and the tithes of people who faithfully attend to personally enrich yourself is not “love”. Saying that people who disagree with your holy book are damned is not “love”.
Christianity is superficial window dressing. Love is innate and is very primative. It doesn’t need Christianity, but Christianity needs it, because its original claims are built on it. Love predates Christianity by millions of years.
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No Spin says...
Matt has no idea what LOVE is.. He has even attacked his own Mother in here..
It was vicious..
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mattkeltner says...
No, I haven’t. I love my Mother very much and would never publicly attack her.
But, you can keep lying if it makes you feel good about yourself…
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Amir Raheem says...
Matt is this the religious group, on which you base your religious theology?
Unitarian Universalism was formed from the merger in 1961 of two historically Christian denominations, the Universalist Church of America and the American Unitarian Association, both based in the United States.
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Amir Raheem says...
Don’t take offence, just trying to understand where you’re coming from
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mattkeltner says...
There are seven principles which Unitarian Universalist congregations affirm and promote:
-The inherent worth and dignity of every person;
-Justice, equity and compassion in human relations;
-Acceptance of one another and encouragement to spiritual growth in our congregations;
-A free and responsible search for truth and meaning;
-The right of conscience and the use of the democratic process within our congregations and in society at large;
-The goal of world community with peace, liberty, and justice for all;
-Respect for the interdependent web of all existence of which we are a part.
Unitarian Universalism (UU) draws from many sources:
-Direct experience of that transcending mystery and wonder, affirmed in all cultures, which moves us to a renewal of the spirit and an openness to the forces which create and uphold life;
-Words and deeds of prophetic women and men which challenge us to confront powers and structures of evil with justice, compassion, and the transforming power of love;
-Wisdom from the world’s religions which inspires us in our ethical and spiritual life;
-Jewish and Christian teachings which call us to respond to God’s love by loving our neighbors as ourselves;
-Humanist teachings which counsel us to heed the guidance of reason and the results of science, and warn us against idolatries of the mind and spirit.
-Spiritual teachings of earth-centered traditions which celebrate the sacred circle of life and instruct us to live in harmony with the rhythms of nature.
http://www.uua.org/visitors/6798.shtmlUnitarians also accept and allow Buddhists, Hindus, Mulsims, pagans, Deists, agnostics and atheists to take part in their services.
Our local minister is a practicioner of Zen Buddhism and was raised on a kibbutz in Israel.
Unitarianism has it’s roots in Christianity, but many Christians do not accept Unitarians as part of Christianity due to their openness to others.
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Amir Raheem says...
Yes Matt I am familiar with the principles….I however find your verbal behavior inexplicable, assuming you subscribe to those stated principles in addition to the other stated theology associated with Unitarian Universalism.
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mattkeltner says...
I forgot about how perfect you were, Amir.
It’s easier to critique me, being that I’m in the minority on this blog. You don’t criticise the supposedly doctrinal Christianity of Randy or Wayne, though. Why? If it’s open season, then why am I the only one who gets it? Is it because you can’t criticise members of your own faith, or, because you think it’s more popular to pick at what I believe?
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Randy Hall says...
MK, you don’t know me.
You don’t know Amir.
To tell someone how they feel is a bit pridefull.
To tell me who I love or not is simply an imposibility for you.
Best to take the slow approach and say you don’t judge others as hateful only unknown.
If you know the heart of the unknown, show me the money!
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mattkeltner says...
You do it all of the time, Randy. Let’s not get into semantics.
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Amir Raheem says...
No Matt I am far, far from perfect. I struggle to not take an attitude similar to yours and others on this site. And if you re-read my comment, I’m trying to understand your attitudes, particularly based on your faith. Have you forgotten those ugly, things you said and how you spoke such evil things of my faith. I didn’t get angry. I thought I would try and find out a little more about where you are coming from. But the more I looked the more confused I got in terms of why it is you say the things you do. No Matt I have many transgressions of thought on a daily basis, I just try not to verbalize them.
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Amir Raheem says...
You know Matt, now that you’ve brought up the idea of perfect…it is my imperfection that is my greatest attribute, the knowledge of that imperfection keeps me humble. And in spite of your self, I can still see you as my brother and therefore pray for you in spite of your anger and hostility. I don’t need to be critical of you, as your words speak volumes. And Christianity speaks for itself…the churches are full of sinners every Sunday.
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roxi says...
Hypocrisy:
folly of
p 426-15 and see the folly of h*
ignorance or
f 243-3 can never succeed…through ignorance or h*
is fatal
pr 7-32 H* is fatal to religion.
lust and
ap 567-28 beast and the false prophets are lust and h*
never spared
rebuked the
f 241-10 Falsehood, envy, h* malice
b 289-10 sin, lust, hatred, envy, h*
329-21 There is no h* in Science
330-30 h* slander, hate, theft, adultery,
p 365-25 If h*, stolidity, inhumanity, or vice
gl 365-28 self-righteousness, vanity; h*
hypocrite:
thought it makes the sinner a h*, h* may have a flowery pathway here, but The bigot, the debauchee, the h*, They make man an involuntary h*, the h* that he is hiding (from) himself.
*human, humanity
f=Footsteps of Truth
pr= Prayer
Mary Baker Eddy
1903
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mattkeltner says...
The biggest differences between what you believe and what I believe, Amir, is that you believe people like me will end up in hell. I don’t believe anyone is sent there, even those I don’t like.
You think that prayer changes others, but in reality, it only works on the self, which is the extent of it’s effectiveness.
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Amir Raheem says...
Regarding M.B. Eddy, are you a member of the Christian Science religion Rox? My family attended the Church of Religious Science in Los Angeles for many years.
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Amir Raheem says...
Without even asking me what I believe, is it not presumptuous if not completely ignorant to assume you know? There in lies the difference. I’ll try and find out who you are, you on the other hand think you know who I am, but of course that is one of your many imperfections. That is why I said in spite of yourself. Making assumptions is the path of a fool.
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Amir Raheem says...
No I don’t think you are going to hell Matt. Based on your inability to commnicate without insulting, only suggest you are in your on personal hell as we speak. There is know where for you to go! Your unhappiness is apparent and preceeds all that you say.
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roxi says...
I study many religions. My grandmother was Christian Science. The book, “Concordance To Science and Health with Key to the Scriptures”- is amazing.
Btw, I am wrong with the definition of h = reads “Hypocrisy and hypocrite” respectively.
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avbornbred says...
Matt is showing us the hate that is in the angry left. The hate for anyone who stands in their way of sub-culture freedom is a hypocrite. When someone on the right stands for God or the Bible, the left denounces them as being a fraud. When convenient, the lefties are strong practicing Christians when it makes their cause look good. When standing up for Christianity, the same liberals scream “separation” and put their Christian faith behind their own liberal beliefs.
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Amir Raheem says...
To be resolute in any endeavor requires a great amount of inner strength. It is my feeling that many in the position of leadership are lacking that resolution, weather it is political or spiritual. That lack of strength is the weapon that will ultimately bring about the demise of this nation. It is time for the males to start acting like men and the females to start acting like women. Without that effort we all lose.
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Randy Hall says...
The red corner
Thursday, July 22 2010 – 03:21 PM
To Randy Hall:
The following post is being reproduced here in the wake of it having been deleted by Wayne Berry.)
Rest assured, motherfucker, that the one and only thing that you have ever done that has moved me was the typically lowlife crap that you wrote about Denise – things that you wrote because you are not bright enough to have actually comprehended blogav’s very simple rules, and because you so dutifully kiss the ass of the highly corrupt R. Rex Parris.
So my final words to you, you money-grubbing sycophant, are these:
If and when you see me in public, and the thought of approaching me comes to mind, let it go.
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Wanted a record of this so Guy won’t delete it.
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Randy Hall says...
It is proof of moving him now isn’t it? LOL!!
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Randy Hall says...
Since Guy will talk with me again, should I remind him when he breaks his own vow?
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Randy Hall says...
“Never has there been so little diversity within America’s upper crust. Always, in America as elsewhere, some people have been wealthier and more powerful than others. But until our own time America’s upper crust was a mixture of people who had gained prominence in a variety of ways, who drew their money and status from different sources and were not predictably of one mind on any given matter. The Boston Brahmins, the New York financiers, the land barons of California, Texas, and Florida, the industrialists of Pittsburgh, the Southern aristocracy, and the hardscrabble politicians who made it big in Chicago or Memphis had little contact with one another. Few had much contact with government, and “bureaucrat” was a dirty word for all. So was “social engineering.” Nor had the schools and universities that formed yesterday’s upper crust imposed a single orthodoxy about the origins of man, about American history, and about how America should be governed. All that has changed."
http://spectator.org/archives/2010/07/16/americas-ruling-class-and-the/
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