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Tuesday, February 09 2010 - 05:12 PM
Eliminating the need for charity
It is often asserted by those who occupy the right side of the sociopolitical spectrum that “Charitable works are best left to churches, private individuals and ‘munificent’ corporations” that “Government need not be involved with that which is charitable”; and that “Were liberals to give up their demand for progressive taxation, then [reactionaries and capitalists] would fill the gap by way of private charities.” But, assuming that our otherwise and terribly self-centered “conservatives” truly possess such philanthropic tendencies, would it be so much as possible for private charaties to assume the politcal states’ role regarding charity? I say – no it would not be possible.
In an effort to demonstrate the validity of my belief, I should like to remind the readership of Hands Across America which managed to raise, if memory serves, some twenty-five million dollars toward a very temporary and minor alleviation of domestic homelessness and human hunger within sub-Saharan Africa (an admittedly noble endeavor). But, nobility notwithstanding, even if such an event were to be replicated each and every day – 365 days per year, it would manage to raise but roughly 9.1 billion dollars per year. To put it another way, a similar Hands Across America event held each and every day for an entire year would collect slightly more than fifty-percent of the present, annual allotment for all federally-funded social welfare programs – including Medicaid, all job-training programs, AFDC – Aid For Dependent Children, subsidized housing, Head Start, EBT – Electronic Benefit Transfer, etc. Put still another way, were a similarly “successful” Hands Across America event to be held each and every day for an entire year, the monies raised would fail to come close to the amount needed to fund these social welfare programs. And it would still leave the issue of human hunger within sub-Saharan Africa as well as that of the rest of the Third World completely untouched.
So paint me cynical with respect to our right-wingers’ incessant suggestions that “Charity is best left to churches, individuals and corporations.” Indeed, paint me distrustful of even their rhetoric. For I believe it to be nothing more than a part of what they need to say in order to further their ultimate goal of defunding government to the point to “…where we can drown it [government] in the bathtub.” —Grover Norquist.

Now then, in proceeding from the above-listed and largely worthless liberal critique to a far more valuable Marxist critique, we find, once again, that were we workers – as a class – not robbed of the bulk of the economic wealth that our labor power and/or our intellectual power produce throughout the course of working lives there would exist no need for charity – be it private or governmental. And that, to begin to lay the pre-political and pre-industrial foundations for the eventual establishment of an equitable society – a socialist society is likely to be the only way in which we can realistically hope to actually end all forms of human suffering. After all, humankind already possesses the capacity to do so.


Yours in revolution.
Guy R. Marsh
Lancaster, 93536
Member-at-large (since 1990):
Socialist Labor Party of America (est. 1890)


(Note: As per usual, the following sort of comment posts directed to this thread will be deleted; those containing childish or otherwise offensive material; those whose content consists of more than fifty-percent cut-and-pasted material; and those containing video clips – regardless of whether or not they might also be accompanied by any amount of original writings [the embedding of URLs or “hotlinks” within comment posts that serve to lead readers to video clips will be accepted as long as said posts also contain original writings of no fewer than fifty words]. I thank you all.)


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02/09/10 - 05:23 PM
whomeye says...
americans are a giving people. we don’t need government to hand out money, food, clothes, shelter, etc. when americans are so generous. an example would be haiti…
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02/09/10 - 06:16 PM
lancaster says...
it’s not charity if u pay into it. i wonder how many here would give me shot if i was to go on permanent disability.

never mind that i would have paid into this system for 34 years, it would be considered a handout. what a joke!
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02/10/10 - 04:10 AM
lancaster says...
For I believe it to be nothing more than a part of what they need to say in order to further their ultimate goal of defunding government to the point to “…where we can drown it [government] in the bathtub.” —Grover Norquist.

and there it is in a nut shell. insanity.

electing people to govt. that don’t believe in govt!
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02/10/10 - 03:43 PM
Randy Hall says...
No charity in a Marxist society means we kill those unable to work. Marxism is for the workers entitled to “our labor power and/or our intellectual power produce throughout the course of working lives there would exist no need for charity – be it private or governmental.”

If you can’t work what would you be entitled too if not charity of your fellow worker?
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02/11/10 - 12:21 PM
Randy Hall says...
Correct your quote please. You said charity would not be necessary. If you can’t work, what do you call the unable work worker’s stipend?
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02/11/10 - 02:55 PM
Cagy Wolf says...
lancaster I agree with you on the disability issue, I too paid into it for years and when I needed it. It took over two years to get SSI disability, but I noticed that three illegal aliens new to the country were able to get SSI in two months without ever having to work one day here. Same with the so called mental case that otherwise have nothing wrong with them are able to work but don’t and then we have the parolees who get SSI cause they have a “drug problem”. Hell talking to a fellow veteran from california the other day from San Diego told me he couldn’t find any work.Sound famlier? Unless all of us itizens work together fighting the issues I have mentioned we aren’t going to have a nation for our children. There is no state not impacted by the flood of illegal aliens. There are more then the agreed amount mentioned by the media even if they do happen to comment about it.I remember when years ago when Reagan was governor he cried about all the americans on welfare so where are our leaders voices about the millions of illegals on welfare?
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02/11/10 - 03:11 PM
The Duke says...
32% of all usa welfare recipients live in california,which tells you why this state is in such deep trouble
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02/11/10 - 03:52 PM
Randy Hall says...
Missy, you are right it isn’t charity if you pay into to it, but it is insurance. Since we only get about 30 cents of services for every dollar we pay in, it’s very expensive insurance that has so much red tape that if it was private companyyou would switch companies.
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02/12/10 - 02:13 PM
Cybertariat says...



Randy, I wrote: "…we find, once again, that were we workers – as a class – not robbed of the bulk of the economic wealth that our labor power and/or our intellectual power produce throughout the course of our working lives there would exist no need for charity…[nor would there exist a need for the Social “Security” program]." You, on the other hand, wrote: “Marxism is for the workers entitled to ‘our labor power and/or our intellectual power produce[d] throughout the course of [our] working lives there would exist no need for charity…’” That fails to make sense even with my having corrected it because all that you stated was that workers are entitled to their labor power and/or their intellectual power throughout the course of their working lives. Yes, I suppose that one could say fhat we workers are entilted to our labor power…, but our labor power is of no use to us unless we are able to sell it/ourselves in the labor market just as hogs are sold for their body parts in the pork market. But that is a subject for another day.
Within the now deleted post to which you responded, I asked you whether or not your original response was intended to resemble a serious response because it is abundantly obvious that your “…charity in a Marxist society would mean that we would kill those unable to work [sic]” is, as per usual, nothing more than an indication that you are utterly unable to refute the correctness of my Marxian perspective vis-a-vis charity and, accordingly, that you endeavored to convince readers that Marxists are just “bloodthirsty animals” who should not be heard from.
Should I be mistaken, then won’t you please tell us how my Hands Across America analogy is incorrect – tell us exactly how individuals, corporations and churches could possibly raise the tens of billions of dollars that would have to be raised each and every year were the political state to be removed from the business of charity.

Now then, provided that I understood your rather oddly worded question regarding “worker’s stipend,” correctly, yes of course disabled workers would be conferred with some sort of stipends through socialist society’s industrial government. Were you under the impression that a socialist commonwealth – an egalitarian society would have the infirmed fend for themselves just as the likes of you would have them do within the completely laissez-faire capitalist society that you so wish for, Randy? Is that a part of what you and your breatren mean when making the claim that “government shouldn’t be in the charity business”?
But no doubt that you will claim that you do not wish to see the infirmed have to fend for themselves. So I will ask you again: How would private charaties go about raising the tens of billions of dollars per year needed to meet but the basic human needs of those in need?
Thank you, sir.
Persevere. Guy * *

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