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Sunday, July 04 2010 - 09:02 AM
Scientists Admit Chemtrails Are
Scientists Admit Chemtrails Are Creating Artificial Clouds
Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet.com
Friday, July 2, 2010
Scientists now admit that emissions from aircraft are forming artificial clouds that block out the sun, precisely what geoengineering advocates like top eugenicist and White House science advisor John P. Holdren have called for, but the article tries to insinuate that the effect is caused by natural “vapours,” when in reality it can be attributed to chemtrails that contain substances harmful to humans.
“The phenomenon occurs when aircraft fly above 25,000ft, where the air temperature is around minus 30C. This causes water vapour emitted by the engines to crystallise and form the familiar white streaks across the sky, known as contrails,” writes Oliver Tree for the Daily Mail.
“Reading University’s Professor Keith Shine, an expert in clouds, said that those formed by aircraft fumes could linger ‘for hours’, depriving those areas under busy flight paths, such as London and the Home Counties, of summer sunshine.”
“Experts have warned that, as a result, the amount of sunlight hitting the ground could be reduced by as much as ten per cent. Professor Shine added: “Over the busiest areas in London and the South of England, this high-level cloud could cover the sky, turning bright sunshine into hazy conditions for the entire area. I expect the effects will get worse as the volume of air traffic increases.”
The report also makes reference to a 2009 Met Office study which found that high-level winds did not disperse contrails that later formed into clouds which covered an astonishing 20,000 miles.
Of course, this is no natural phenomenon as the article claims. Ten years ago, contrails from jet aircraft disappeared within minutes, yet apparently we are led to believe that the same substance is now causing the trails to linger for hours and form into clouds. This is impossible without something within the substance having been changed.
Mainstream science and academia has gone from dismissing chemtrails as a fantasy of paranoid conspiracy theorists to now accepting that they exist but claiming that they are natural and not artificially induced.
In reality, chemtrails are the consequence of the agenda to geoengineer the earth in the name of combating climate change, a science vehemently backed by people like John P. Holdren, who in his 1977 book Ecoscience advocated poisoning the water supply to involuntarily sterilize humans as part of a “planetary regime” that would control every aspect of our existence. The fact that such eugenicists are now in control of geoengineering programs that will have a direct impact on our health is alarming.
Geoengineering programs have also been promoted by the Council on Foreign Relations, which is one of the main steering committees behind the implementation of global governance.
A recent report issued by the UK government also calls for the UN to exclusively regulate world wide geoengineering of the planet in order to stave off man made global warming.
Discussion of geoengineering technology is often framed as a future consideration, yet governments are already conducting such programs at an advanced stage.
The Atmospheric Radiation Measurement (ARM) Program was created in 1989 with funding from the U.S. Department of Energy (DOE) and is sponsored by the DOE’s Office of Science and managed by the Office of Biological and Environmental Research.
One of ARM’s programs, entitled Indirect and Semi-Direct Aerosol Campaign (ISDAC), is aimed at measuring “cloud simulations” and “aerosol retrievals”.
Another program under the Department of Energy’s Atmospheric Science Program is directed towards, “developing comprehensive understanding of the atmospheric processes that control the transport, transformation, and fate of energy related trace chemicals and particulate matter.”
The DOE website states that, “The current focus of the program is aerosol radiative forcing of climate: aerosol formation and evolution and aerosol properties that affect direct and indirect influences on climate and climate change.”
U.S. government scientists are already bombarding the skies with the acid-rain causing pollutant sulphur dioxide in an attempt to fight global warming by “geo-engineering” the planet, despite the fact that injecting aerosols into the upper atmosphere carries with it a host of both known and unknown dangers.
The proposal to disperse sulphur dioxide in an attempt to reflect sunlight was discussed in a September 2008 London Guardian article entitled, Geoengineering: The radical ideas to combat global warming, in which Ken Caldeira, a leading climate scientist based at the Carnegie Institution in Stanford, California, promoted the idea of injecting the atmosphere with aerosols.
“One approach is to insert “scatterers” into the stratosphere,” states the article. “Caldeira cites an idea to deploy jumbo jets into the upper atmosphere and deposit clouds of tiny particles there, such as sulphur dioxide. Dispersing around 1m tonnes of sulphur dioxide per year across 10m square kilometres of the atmosphere would be enough to reflect away sufficient amounts of sunlight.”
Experiments similar to Caldeira’s proposal are already being carried out by U.S. government -backed scientists, such as those at the U.S. Department of Energy’s (DOE) Savannah River National Laboratory in Aiken, S.C, who last year began conducting studies which involved shooting huge amounts of particulate matter, in this case “porous-walled glass microspheres,” into the stratosphere.
The project is closely tied to an idea by Nobel Prize winner Paul Crutzen, who “proposed sending aircraft 747s to dump huge quantities of sulfur particles into the far-reaches of the stratosphere to cool down the atmosphere.”
Such programs merely scratch the surface of what is likely to be a gargantuan and overarching black-budget funded project to geo-engineer the planet, with little or no care for the unknown environmental consequences this could engender.
What is known about what happens when the environment is loaded with sulphur dioxide is bad enough, since the compound is the main component of acid rain, which according to the EPA “Causes acidification of lakes and streams and contributes to the damage of trees at high elevations (for example, red spruce trees above 2,000 feet) and many sensitive forest soils. In addition, acid rain accelerates the decay of building materials and paints, including irreplaceable buildings, statues, and sculptures that are part of our nation’s cultural heritage.”
The health effects of bombarding the skies with sulphur dioxide alone are enough to raise serious questions about whether such programs should even be allowed to proceed.
The following health effects are linked with exposure to sulphur.
- Neurological effects and behavioral changes
- Disturbance of blood circulation
- Heart damage
- Effects on eyes and eyesight
- Reproductive failure
- Damage to immune systems
- Stomach and gastrointestinal disorder
- Damage to liver and kidney functions
- Hearing defects
- Disturbance of the hormonal metabolism
- Dermatological effects
- Suffocation and lung embolism
According to the LennTech website, “Laboratory tests with test animals have indicated that sulfur can cause serious vascular damage in veins of the brains, the heart and the kidneys. These tests have also indicated that certain forms of sulfur can cause foetal damage and congenital effects. Mothers can even carry sulfur poisoning over to their children through mother milk. Finally, sulfur can damage the internal enzyme systems of animals.”
Fred Singer, president of the Science Environmental Policy Project and a skeptic of man-made global warming theories, warns that the consequences of tinkering with the planet’s delicate eco-system could have far-reaching dangers.
“If you do this on a continuous basis, you would depress the ozone layer and cause all kinds of other problems that people would rather avoid,” said Singer.
Even Greenpeace’s chief UK scientist – a staunch advocate of the man-made global warming explanation – Doug Parr has slammed attempts to geo-engineer the planet as “outlandish” and “dangerous”.
Stephen Schneider of Stanford University, who recently proposed a bizarre plan to send spaceships into the upper atmosphere that would be used to block out the Sun, admits that geo-engineering could cause “conflicts between nations if geoengineering projects go wrong.”
Given all the immediate dangers associated with bombarding the atmosphere with sulphur dioxide, along with the unknown dangers of other geo-engineering projects, many people are concerned that “chemtrails” are a secret component of the same agenda to alter the Earth’s eco-system.
The fact that chemtrails are blocking out the sun, which is precisely what the geoengineering advocates call for, strongly indicates that they are an integral part of this dangerous and wide-reaching program.
Reports of chemtrails, jet plumes emitted from planes that hang in the air for hours and do not dissipate, often blanketing the sky in criss-cross patterns, have increased dramatically over the last 10 years. Many have speculated that they are part of a government program to alter climate, inoculate humans against certain pathogens, or even to toxify humans as part of a population reduction agenda.
In conducting Google searches, one finds discussion, such as this example, of using sulphur dioxide as a jet fuel additive to be dispersed over the world during routine commercial flights.
“I suggest that both the sulphur dioxide and the silica particles could be delivered into the stratosphere by dissolving an additive in jet aviation fuel,” writes engineer John Gorman, who has conducted experiments to test the feasibility of such a scenario.
“We would want to burn fuel containing the additive specifically when the aircraft was cruising in the lower stratosphere,” he adds.
In 2008, a KSLA news investigation found that a substance that fell to earth from a high altitude chemtrail contained high levels of Barium (6.8 ppm) and Lead (8.2 ppm) as well as trace amounts of other chemicals including arsenic, chromium, cadmium, selenium and silver. Of these, all but one are metals, some are toxic while several are rarely or never found in nature.
The newscast focuses on Barium, which its research shows is a “hallmark of chemtrails.” KSLA found Barium levels in its samples at 6.8 ppm or “more than six times the toxic level set by the EPA.” The Louisiana Department of Environmental Quality confirmed that the high levels of Barium were “very unusual,” but commented that “proving the source was a whole other matter” in its discussion with KSLA.
KSLA also asked Mark Ryan, Director of the Poison Control Center, about the effects of Barium on the human body. Ryan commented that “short term exposure can lead to anything from stomach to chest pains and that long term exposure causes blood pressure problems.” The Poison Control Center further reported that long-term exposure, as with any harmful substance, would contribute to weakening the immune system, which many speculate is the purpose of such man-made chemical trails.
Indeed, barium oxide has cropped up repeatedly as a contaminant from suspected geoengineering experimentation.
KSLA also put aerosolized-chemical testing in its historical context, citing a voluminous number of unclassified tests exposed in 1977 Senate hearings. The tests included experimenting with biochemical compounds on the public. KSLA reports that “239 populated areas were contaminated with biological agents between 1949 and 1969.”
One of the accepted truisms of scientific study is the fact that if scientists are proposing an idea, then those scientists with access to the bottomless pit of black-budget secret government funding are already doing it.
It is highly likely that chemtrails are merely one manifestation of “geo-engineering” that is taking place without proper debate, notification or any form of legality, and with a callous disregard for the potential dangers to both our health and our environment.
AV Town Crier says...
The Town Crier did a story on t his a few months ago—it’s NOT weather related. Contrails are water vapors and disappear after a few minutes. The Chem-trails last all day.
In England someone sued the government and the Royal Air-force admitted to the deed and revealed what chemicals where used. The why was classified.
This goes on all over the major population centers in the world and has for more than twenty years.
I’ve contacted the Air Force (Edwards) and always get ‘no comment.’
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Randy Hall says...
Nixon was a….
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roxi says...
You will also hear silence when Perchlorate is mentioned:
Scientists warn that the chemical, known as perchlorate, could cause thyroid deficiency in more than 2.2 million women of childbearing age.
21st CENTURY TIMELINE OF U.S. ROCKET FUEL POLLUTION SCANDAL
• 2002: EPA releases draft report highlighting widespread water contamination of a toxic rocket fuel byproduct known as perchlorate. The report indicates that most of the pollution is coming from U.S. military sites [Source] • January 2003 : Courtroom proceedings reveal that aerospace and defense contractor Lockheed Martin was concealing documents for several years indicating the company knew about toxic levels of perchlorate contamination in the nation’s vegetable produce. [Source] • March 2003: California’s Senator Feinstein demands the military clean up perchlorate pollution as a matter of public safety. The Department of Defense responds by saying it must be exempt from perchlorate liability, as a matter of anti-terrorist “readiness.” [Source]. • April 2003: Bush Administration puts gag order on the Environmental Protection Agency, mandating complete silence regarding military perchlorate pollution and human health impacts. [Source] • November 2004: FDA finds perchlorate in 93% of lettuce and milk samples across the nation. Bush Administration requests no regulatory action take place until the National Academy of Sciences (NAS) concludes investigation of human health implications. [Source] • January 2005: NAS announces perchlorates are as much as ten times as toxic as what the Department of Defense had been claiming. Senator Feinstein of California announces forthcoming bill proposal to create federal perchlorate regulations and to allocate funding for cleanup of existing contamination. [Source] •February 2005: EPA adopts NAS recommendations and recommends weak reference dose standards for drinking water without any public comment or review. [Source] •June 2005: Senator Feinstein files letter with EPA requesting a review of perchlorate data and stricter perchlorate drinking water standards. [Source] • October 2006: The Environmental Working Group releases a study indicating that perchlorate pollution has put 2.2 million women and their children at risk. [Source]http://www.organicconsumers.org
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Randy Hall says...
Since the average age of the typical American worker in the last 125 years has gone from 40 to almost 80 I think the doubling of our life spans is due to rocket fuel and petrochemicals.
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138hwy says...
Why do most leftists/stalinists believe in these “conspiracies?” In a way it is amusing to read from one of our more devout oopsbummers worshipers, “2.2 women and children at risk.”
All that these nuts have to do is cite some left wing professor (or) some “news source” for their information and it is instantly deemed to be true.
This brings to mind the belief from several crack-pots that President Bush, “placed explosives in levees along the coast of Louisiana” because he doesn’t like black people or other nonsense that the CIA “feeds drugs” to black people. There are hundreds of other examples of liberal mental illness all over the internet. To this I give a big LOL.
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Randy Hall says...
Oil is organic meaning it comes out of the ground. It bubbles up naturally. In Santa Barbara, some of the golf courses has oil trap hazards. Oil in a tar pit is a tourist attraction in LA! It runs out of the ground along side the freeway near Valencia. I’d rather have oil spills than killer fogs like London used to have or a horsedung haze like Denver was famous for. Heck New York’s Central Park was necessary for horse dung sanitation.
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Randy Hall says...
If the enviros were really interested in human health DDT would not be banned. A fictional account written by a goofy was responsible for about 500,000 African children dying each year, and many millions sacrificed to their wild fears of a chemical that is a modern miracle.
We need to ask how many have to sacrificed to the enviros god?
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Sovereignty Soldier says...
Some people are so ignorant that they speak before ever researching. ALL “conspiracies” are of the “left” if your conservative, or of the “right” if your more liberal minded. What is so hard to understand that neither care about the people. It is all about money on both sides. If a paper or scientist reports or blows the whistle and FOX news doesn’t recognize it, they must be big liberals. Give me a break, corruption permeates both party’s and any good American would be honest enough to admit that. Of course good republicans and good democrats care more about their political party than they do about America as a whole.
See I am NOT and “enviro”. I am NOT a republican or democrat. I have no dog in the fight except my country and my daughters’ future. I have no hidden agenda save to expose corruption and media/government lies. The truth is plain to see for those who want to. It criss crosses your sky everday and has been found to contain specific chemicals not necessarily safe for human inhalation. The only question anyone has is why?
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Sovereignty Soldier says...
It is also ammusing that when the U.N. was caught with HIV in vaccines being distributed in Africa it got very little media attention and due to that some ignorant people still deny that the U.N. infected large portions of Africas population. These clowns still propogate the “sex with monkeys” lie. With close to 80% of the population infected, we are all supposed to believe they are just a bunch of sex crazed people over there I guess.
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Ray Cunneff says...
USA Today takes on CHEMTRAILS!
If you see a contrail from a plane, does that mean that the government is again spraying deadly chemicals or biological agents on its citizens? A 7 March 2001 article by Traci Watson in USA Today describes the “chemtrail” phenomenon. She quotes Patrick Minnis of NASA’s Langley Research Center in Hampton, VA, who said "If you try to pin these people down and refute things, it’s, ‘Well, you’re just part of the conspiracy … Logic is not exactly a real selling point for most of them.‘’ Watson also writes that "The cloud-forming contrails that conspiracy theorists find so ominous are ’perfectly natural,’ Minnis says. The odd grid and parallel-line patterns are easily explained as contrails blown together by the wind, scientists say. "
Source: http://usatoday.com/usatonline/20010307/3117139s.htm
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Ray Cunneff says...
The chemtrail conspiracy theory began to circulate in 1996 when the United States Air Force (USAF) was accused of “spraying the US population with mysterious substances” from aircraft “generating unusual contrail patterns”. The Air Force says these accusations were a hoax fueled in part by citations to a strategy paper drafted within the Air Force’s Air University entitled Weather as a Force Multiplier: Owning the Weather in 2025.
The paper was presented in response to a military directive to outline a future strategic weather modification system for the purpose of maintaining the United States’ military dominance in the year 2025, and identified as “fictional representations of future situations/scenarios”. The Air Force further clarified the paper “does not reflect current military policy, practice, or capability”, and that it is “not conducting any weather modification experiments or programs and has no plans to do so in the future.”
Additionally, the Air Force states that the “‘Chemtrail’ hoax has been investigated and refuted by many established and accredited universities, scientific organizations, and major media publications.”
Just more need-to-believe conspiracy paranoia.
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mattkeltner says...
SS: “…we are all supposed to believe they are just a bunch of sex crazed people over there I guess.”
“Sex crazed” may not be the correct word, but it has been routinely observed that many tribal cultures in Africa use sex as a form of cheap entertainment. Due to widespread poverty, or maybe preferable living conditions?, sex is an escape or a cheap thrill. It’s not always protected through condoms, vaginal dams or other methods and often results in unwanted pregnancies and the spreading of sexually-transmitted pathogens like syphilis or HIV. Also, on the National Geographic Channel’s programme “Taboo”,an African tribe was featured where part of a ritual involved tribal members lacerating themselves and bleeding into a hollow gourd, then, each member of the tribe drank from the gourd. HIV is harder to transmit this way due to an exposure to air and sunlight, however, all forms of hepatitis, syphilis and herpes can be transmitted this way. Once syphilis, hepatitis or herpes is acquired, it becomes easier for HIV to enter the body and take over.
The question is, do we intercede and condemn these practices that are spreading deadly pathogens? This would mean ending tribal ritual and cultural customs that go back thousands or millions of years – or – do we continue to let them partake in these dangerous cultural practices and write them off? There’s no easy answer, really.
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Sovereignty Soldier says...
Why do all of your refutes come from corporate media or government agencies Ray? The whole point is that the corporate media lies and so does our government. You using quotes or stories from media that has already been shown to be dishonest and in bed with the government proves or rebukes nothing. Anytime a person blows the whistle on government the first thing the government and media try to do is attack their credibility and cast them as “conspiracy theorists”.
Let us not forget the “accredited scientists” who were caught falsifying data to support the global warming scheme and bragging about it in emails. Or how they bragged about conspiring to blacklist other scientists who wrote papers refuting the global warming theory. There has been a plan in the works for decades Ray and you are not this ignorant. If I have learned about it then in your years surely you must have too. At any rate it is a foolish agenda which is predestined to fail. There will be NO NWO in the USA. Patriots will force them to completely destroy the US before we will ever give up. This is the land of the FREE and the home of the BRAVE!
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Sovereignty Soldier says...
Matt the U.N. was caught distributing vaccines tainted with the HIV virus. They have been caught numerous tmes distributing vaccines tainted with virus’s to 3rd world populations. There is a population reduction goal. It is clearly stated on the Georgia Guidstones. Here I’ll come out and say it bluntly-Our world is controlled by the occult. From Hollywood to politicians. I have seen photos with “Sammy Davis Jr.” and “Anton Lavey” together. I have listened to Zena Lavey brag about the Hollywood starlets who are members of her fathers’ church. Mid-evil witches used to use the wood from the Holly tree to make their wands. Hence the name Hollywood fits perfectly as the wand that casts the spell over the people. It mesmerizes and hypnotizes. This is how the occult hide meanings in our everyday world. No theorist, just a sheep among ravenous wolves.
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Sovereignty Soldier says...
For Ray-just another conspiracy theorist:
For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth; to know the worst and provide for it.
Patrick Henry
Give me liberty or give me death.
Patrick Henry
Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are inevitably ruined.
Patrick Henry
The liberties of a people never were, nor ever will be, secure, when the transactions of their rulers may be concealed from them.
Patrick Henry
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Ray Cunneff says...
Insanity in individuals is something rare — but in groups, parties, nations, and epochs it is the rule.
Friedrich Nietzsche
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Ray Cunneff says...
We are all born mad. Some remain so.
Samuel Beckett
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Ray Cunneff says...
“Where does one go from a world of insanity? Somewhere on the other side of despair.”
T.S. Eliot
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Randy Hall says...
Not one for much Nietzsche, but Ray that is right on.
Global Warming comes to mind when just a generation ago it was global cooling or ozone depletion.
I think the worst insanity of this epoch is Keynesian economics. Imagine spending more than you make to build a proper foundation. As they say, when you are in a hole stop digging.
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Sovereignty Soldier says...
“To achieve world government, it is necessary to remove from the minds of men their individualism, loyalty to family traditions, national patriotism, and religious dogmas.” – Brock Adams, Director UN Health Organization
“A world government can intervene militarily in the internal affairs of any nation when it disapproves of their activities.” – Kofi Annan, U.N. Secretary General
“Today, America would be outraged if U.N. troops entered Los Angeles to restore order [referring to the 1991 LA Riot]. Tomorrow they will be grateful! This is especially true if they were told that there were an outside threat from beyond [i.e., an “extraterrestrial” invasion], whether real or promulgated [emphasis mine], that threatened our very existence. It is then that all peoples of the world will plead to deliver them from this evil. The one thing every man fears is the unknown. When presented with this scenario, individual rights will be willingly relinquished for the guarantee of their well-being granted to them by the World Government."
Dr. Henry Kissinger, Bilderberger Conference, Evians, France, 1991
“The drive of the Rockefellers and their allies is to create a one-world government combining supercapitalism and Communism under the same tent, all under their control…. Do I mean conspiracy? Yes I do. I am convinced there is such a plot, international in scope, generations old in planning, and incredibly evil in intent.”
Congressman Larry P. McDonald, 1976, killed in the Korean Airlines 747 that was shot down by the Soviets
Insanity turns a blind eye to warnings from patriots and globalists alike. So do cowards!!!
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Sovereignty Soldier says...
“It is natural for man to indulge in the illusions of hope. We are apt to shut our eyes against a painful truth, and listen to the song of that siren till she transforms us into beasts… For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.”
Patrick Henry quotes (American Lawyer, patriot, and orator, symbol of the American struggle for liberty, 1736-1799)
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roxi says...
RH: "I think the worst insanity of this epoch is Keynesian economics. Imagine spending more than you make to build a proper foundation. As they say, when you are in a hole stop digging. "
Sounds like Randy has had an revelation about the 2 wars that were never paid for by a former president we won’t mention. But, what’s a TRILLION here and there? Plenty of war jobs out there now for those who qualify.
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Randy Hall says...
Roxi, it was your congress that wrote the checks. You can’t blame GW unless your side was so stupid they can’t think for themselves as they were holding the check book and could have not funded the war. Presidents don’t fund anything, they preside over and hold no power over the nation’s purse.
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roxi says...
Aww, Randy – still not willing to fess up for your Party being responsible for all the horseshit we were fed back then, are you? Still see virgin plains of saintly efforts by Real Americans wrapped in flags defending the cause but not PAYING for it. Checks? What checks?! HA! Nobody wrote any checks-at least not then. NOW we are, aren’t we? Big time.
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Randy Hall says...
Roxi maybe if you read The Constitution you would understand why your feelings are out of touch with reality.
Also your party spends trillions for social justice and we have only more need of spending. Not a shinny new car or HD TV but more reasons to spend. Its like saying the gold plated car we bought isn’t good enough we now need a diamond encrusted one too.
All bills for spending arise out of congress it is why California has no budget and the fed doesn’t have one either. Your guys want more in a time of economic contraction and don’t want to face the voters asking them for more money to pay for education and medical care for anybody at our door step. It’s a noble judgment but it’s one that will bust the bank. Own it roxi it is the legacy you force on future generations which is your morals trump everyone else’s.
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Randy Hall says...
SS, Ok, the truth is Jesus will come again, chem trails will kill us, fluoridation is mind control, ect.
If I grant you your truth, what do you propose to do to fix it? Example, you are tasked with building Hoover Dam. The truth is, you can’t do it by yourself in one lifetime no matter if chem trails help you or not.
For me number 1 is find a political club that is a farm team for grooming potential political leaders. 2, work with the club to do voter registration and get out the vote activities. 3. Keep my eyes open for exceptional people that are not flakes. 4 help them run for office. 5. Support them when they are in office.
Ok, SS, we know the truth as you see it, now show me a method to fix those problems your truth exposed.
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Sovereignty Soldier says...
Randy Hall says…
If I grant you your truth, what do you propose to do to fix it? Example, you are tasked with building Hoover Dam. The truth is, you can’t do it by yourself in one lifetime no matter if chem trails help you or not.
It cannot be fixed Randy. Not without Gods’ intervening. You miss my point, it is to wake people up. To end the deception that jeapordizes their souls. My point is to win souls to the side of Truth, the side of Yeshua.
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Sovereignty Soldier says...
I would like to see some justice delivered to the conspirators and those who give them cover, but “vengeance is mine sayeth the Lord”.
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Randy Hall says...
So basically SS you are evangelizing. Would it not be best to be honest about your evangelization?
Just show us WWJD and be done with worldly conspiracies that have no real consequence anyway.
Most of the pols I know are well aware of the spiritual warfare they face. We need problem solvers not problem pointer outers. One fixes things the other is a sad sack of no hope only despair.
SS, I never thought you would admit that “It cannot be fixed Randy.”
We are in the midst of a grand revival and this November we’ll see if some of the shackles can be broken. Sorry SS, I don’t see God on the ballot so you will sit out this great event.
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roxi says...
Randy, I think you’re dreaming if you think another party will pull us out of this swamp called the depression. We’re on this perpetual merry-go-round, delegated by the “super-riche”, whose only dream is to desecrate the middle-class, by continuing the huge effort of transference of wealth.
Neither party has any power, because this country is dominated by Corporate Masters who maintain their powerful positions in Government to continue what Bush, Clinton, Bush I and Reagan started.
It is the “uber rich” who gave up our manufacturing base to the orient. It is the “uber rich” who sit on the boards of corporations and pay their CEO’s hundreds of millions of dollars to create not one product you can touch and feel here.(Bank of America- Mobil) They and others have created either a system or products that stole from the poor and middle class. Either their jobs or their money or both.
And when you see a defense budget of 700 Billion dollars you are looking at a country that makes war. And businesses, supported by the government, need to make war. These companies are socialized already. Paid by the government.We are already a socialized country.
One Billion dollars could fund 10,000 new businesses with $100,000 each. Now look at Iraq; look at Afghanistan and look at that 700 billion dollar budget….a then dream what it could do if a fraction of that budget supported new non- war businesses and new products..including products to protect our ports,rail and energy systems etc…. and then weep.
The fact that you don’t see that we’ve been robbed — is stunning. The fact that you do not understand why liberals are fighting for the middle class is unfortunate.
RH:“Your guys want more in a time of economic contraction and don’t want to face the voters asking them for more money to pay for education and medical care for anybody at our door step. It’s a noble judgment but it’s one that will bust the bank. Own it roxi it is the legacy you force on future generations which is your morals trump everyone else’s.”
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Randy Hall says...
Roxi, we went to war because war came to us. We didn’t oppress Islam; we lived our decadent western lifestyles, which they hate.
Sure we could do a lot with the trillion we spent on war last decade, but we bought some security and security is a cost of doing business.
Saying the uber rich are destroying the middle-class is such a discredited concept I’m surprised enlightened people such as yourself still use it. Our middle-class lives in luxury compared to most countries and to say we want to contract that means the wealthy won’t have markets to pedal their goods.
One interesting point you made Roxi, is it was a recession prior to Obama now it is a depression according to you. Two years prior to the 08 election Obama and the dems were thrashing our economy and telling us it was tanking now they own that and if you pay attention Obama is saying this recession is over and we are in the Summer of Recovery.
There are political differences and we are witness to them now. So officially we need a Republican to get us out of this “depression.” Or declare Islam won, and convert to worshiping Allah, or die. You can’t negotiate with those that want to you convert or die, that isn’t a choice I’ll make. Maybe Obama will but not mainstream America.
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lancaster says...
wow toyboy,
now u just throw up others writings as ur own?
1st u lie about the amount of oil leaked each day, even when ur own sources contradict what u say in the same post, and now you find articles u like, and try to pass them off as your own original thoughts??
u r whats wrong with america.
and by the same logic this writer is spouting (whoever it is, we know it’s not u) we should have declared war on oklahoma?
and we need a repub to get us out of the mess a repub got us into?
what has a repub done for any american in the last 30yrs?
islam hates us because of our decadent lifestyles?
do u have ANY knowledge of the history of afghanastan? or iraq even? the over simplification, and shallowness of this argument proves the stupidity of the rights usual talking points.
but as always, it explains the rights desire to destroy real education in this country. a stupid population is so much easier to manipulate then an educated one!
TB being the perfect example of a manipulated subject.
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lancaster says...
hey TB, u go to the gulf and tell those people that they will have their lives back yet?
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Randy Hall says...
Lanc, if you had any “knowledge of the history of afghanastan” you would have shared it. But you didn’t so you are a “perfect example of a manipulated subject” via your vomiting of Huffington Post, and CBS talking points. Sadly the only talking points you come up with are insults instead of facts. Did you read that MRC piece about dems getting the facts wrong more often that Republicans?
http://www.mrc.org/biasalert/2010/20100705050326.aspx
But you knew that already that is why you hurl insult and innuendo.
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Sovereignty Soldier says...
Randy that old version of the great commission doesn’t work. Christianity has been so mucked up in the minds of men, they turn away if you hit them with the blind faith thing. They need to see how the prophecies fit today, what the signs of the time are. They need to beware of the traps that Satan and his illuminati children have set for them. To understand that the cosmic game is for souls-theirs. That they key weapon the enemy uses is deception. That the enemy intends to even try to fool Christians into believing the Fallen Angels are aliens and the Bible was misinterpreted. That their counterfeit anti-Christ is the real Yeshua. The Word says that God will give those who have no love of truth over to a strong delusion that would fool even the “elect”, if it were possible!
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Sovereignty Soldier says...
To say it can be fixed by man is to contradict the Bible Randy. I do not put hope or faith in men, that is reserved for God. We need Him to intervene, and intervene he shall. As I am sure your well aware Randy, Satan already knows he loses. He knows his time is short. He wants to take as many with him as he can and if possible destroy the earth before the Messiah comes back. To know what the future holds allows one to prepare first the soul, then for survival until the glorious return.
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Randy Hall says...
I understand SS, it is an easier path you have chosen. Most shun work that is why strong leaders are so rare.
Look at the attacks I weather. My family is vilified, my personal life is open to attack, my church is harangued; I must be right to have so many fling hate in my direction. To your credit you have been patient and trying to show me your path. It is a path that I have taken many years ago. I have grown much since I found that path and I look at you and I want to help you along it. Is that so hard to understand?
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Sovereignty Soldier says...
Does growing to you mean going back to sleep and playing their game? See by me going along and pretending that anything I say or do will change the outcome. I am inadvertently influencing others into buying into the deception. Instead I would like to foment resistance and conscious human beings to in turn wake more up. I have no choice in this Randy. I have tried to stop to ignore it and focus on my personal life. I feel compelled to warn others and to continue learning. To study their writings and their religion. To learn their symbols and grips. To figure out individual names of the highest and lowest positions. To watch on their holidays for who has gatherings locally. To be aware of my surroundings and those in my vicinity. They take blood oaths to learn these things. I take no oaths and know more than any in the blue lodge. Their power is in the secret. I seek to strip that power. Randy for every 10 people I warn i hope for one to research what i said.
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Randy Hall says...
It isn’t asleep if you know what’s at stake. You know the outcome if you don’t fight. You know if you do fight, you need to fight with the best weapons available.
Telling us about government conspiracies to control our minds via chem trails isn’t your sharpest knife in your arsenal.
A good soldier knows how to pick a fight they can win. It is one reason I say there are two teams playing for your future.
Another point since we know all hell will break loose why worry about things that point to the coming doom? It should be welcome news we are almost through with our battle.
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mattkeltner says...
I think this debate between Randy (the right) and Mike (the far right) is a tell-tale illustration of what the Right is all about:
1.) Imposition of Christianity
2.) Fighting
3.) Defence of capitalism at any cost
4.) Division of people along religious lines
5.) Usurping the civil rights of others
6.) Division of people along political lines (“there are two teams…”)
If you want an alternative, look to the Left!
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Randy Hall says...
MK 40% say me and SS are the majority. We have minority ruling us now and they run us into the ground. I think you list is funny. You say I want to divide us and you say try an alternative. At least I’m honest in acknowledgeing this simple fact.
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marino says...
.“If you want an alternative, look to the left”.
That or suicide. I’d flip a coin.
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Genesis says...
A lot of this comes down to the choice we need to make. Do each of us as an individual with a soul believe in a Divine Creator? If that Creator loves us and wants to have a relationship with us, how does that happen? How can a fallen, sinful man have a relationship with a perfect, immutable, omniscient, everlasting God? That said, I believe in a God who created us and loves us. We (man) fell from God’s Grace and God, in his love, allowed us a way to have a relationship with him. His Son. His Son died in our stead so that we could again have a direct relationship with God through the Holy Spirit. All our politics are driven by our own preferences and belief system.
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Genesis says...
“The moment the idea is admitted into society that property is not as sacred as the laws of God, and there is not a force of law and public justice to protect it, anarchy and tyranny commence." John Adams (Second US President) http://thinkexist.com/quotation/the_moment_the_idea_is_admitted_into_society_that/166376.html
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Genesis says...
If `Thou shalt not covet’ and `Thou shalt not steal’ were not commandments of Heaven, they must be made inviolable precepts in every society before it can be civilized or made free. John Adams
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roxi says...
10 “You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor’s.”
Guess this commandment doesn’t apply to conservative politicians….lol
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roxi says...
RH: “There are political differences and we are witness to them now. So officially we need a Republican to get us out of this “depression.” Or declare Islam won, and convert to worshiping Allah, or die. You can’t negotiate with those that want to you convert or die, that isn’t a choice I’ll make. Maybe Obama will but not mainstream America.”
Get real Randy. It’s quite obvious by the Party of No that the only wish of the Cons is that the Obama administration fail politically and bankrupt the country.
There is no concern via the Cons for the PEOPLE of the US – only to win politically and continue the agenda of a war-based economy and poverty in both wages and economic status for the masses and ‘unwashed’ (ie: taxpayers & Unemployed by denying benefits).
Your own Governor chooses to downsize wages to minimum wage for state employees, without regard to their house, car or food costs which have not been graciously reduced by the governor to help them through these tough times.
To say that Obama wishes us to “convert or die” to Allah is a Faux News and Religious Right Propaganda fear tactic. Cons will do anything to get back in office, and are using the same FEAR tactics they used during the Bush2 administration.
Try projecting the truth for once – it’s quite refreshing.
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Randy Hall says...
Roxi, how is Obama bankrupting the country good for “the PEOPLE?”
Our gov would not ask for wage reductions if he had a budget. Why not just deam one like the dems did at the fed level? No roxi, you want someone to blame for the fix the labor contracts got us into. We bailed out GM, Chrysler, the big banks and Wall Street, the states will be next. The cost will be our grand children’s freedom. Next year the most massive tax increase in history will hit and TSWHTF!
How can you have compassion with other people’s money?
Look at lanc, he’s happy to give benefits to public school teachers but get very upset when people benefit from them. Either give with no strings or quit giving other’s people’s money away as charity.
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Randy Hall says...
Roxi, you are smarter than that. I never said Obama wants us to convert to Islam. As you said “try projecting the truth for once…” it is afterall reality, not some fantasy you think I said.
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roxi says...
RH:“Our gov would not ask for wage reductions if he had a budget.”
And, who’s fault is that? Who will NOT negotiation down the middle and represent the PEOPLE of California? Who’s bought & sold thru the Corp’s-endorsed by Cheney and the likes of the NeoCons?
RH:" Why not just deam one like the dems did at the fed level? No roxi, you want someone to blame for the fix the labor contracts got us into."
Yes, I blame the greedy Corporations for selling the American and California economy EAST to China & Cheap Labor for PROFIT ONLY.
RH:" We bailed out GM, Chrysler, the big banks and Wall Street, the states will be next. The cost will be our grand children’s freedom. Next year the most massive tax increase in history will hit and TSWHTF!"
True, the bailouts were a HUGE mistake, first started by GWB and continued with O. ‘Too Big To Fail’ we were told, lied to — so, the banks OWN 64% of the wealth in this country and refuse to let go of the cash to lend to small businesses, etc. The banks and Corp’s have MORE CASH on hand right now than they’ve had since the 30’s!
Yet, the conservatives support and rally around the corporations & banks? EVEN THOUGH they tanked our lifestyle and incomes to foreign interests?
bizaar.
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Genesis says...
roxi says: “Guess this commandment doesn’t apply to conservative politicians….lol”
Nor does it apply to tax and spend liberals!
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Genesis says...
Welcome to McDonalds. Try our new Obama Value Meal. Just order anything on the menu and the person behind you pays. (I can’t claim this one. It’s from a friend.)
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Randy Hall says...
Corporations did not negotiate government labor contracts. Those are the very contracts that are breaking our back now.
Roxi, some voters and that is 4 out of 10 want less gov spending so whose fault is it that there is not budget in California? Those 4 out of 10 voters that’s who.
Are you really arguing for the pols to ignore their voters?
The big corps have the cash on hand because they don’t know what Obama is going to do. Would you buy a new TV if next week you were not sure it would work?
The banks were held up by activists that wanted loans to people that could not make the payments. They finally submitted when government said they would back them and punish them if they didn’t make the loans. That was the mistake that started the bail out ball rolling.
You know it was liberal compassion that drove the stake into the businessman’s banker’s heart.
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Randy Hall says...
“Yet, the conservatives support and rally around the corporations & banks? EVEN THOUGH they tanked our lifestyle and incomes to foreign interests?
bizaar.”
Actually this conservative wanted failure to fail. It was liberals that coined the phrase too big to fail. It was liberals that upped the amount of stimulus cash to prop up failing industries. I never did support bailouts for failed business models. It was liberal compassion that started with GW and was massively expanded under Obama and company that has got us to this “depression,” as it did during The Great Depression.
It’s funny how we repeat history; and that’s “bizaar.” It’s funny how Keynesian economics is being repudiated so well lately.
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roxi says...
RH:“You know it was liberal compassion that drove the stake into the businessman’s banker’s heart.”
HAH! You are funny, Randy – like any of these businessmen HAVE a heart! You call laying off thousands of Americans and selling their jobs overseas a warm & fuzzy and loving gesture!?
It’s starting up again, y’know…‘free’ mortgages with NO DOWNPAYMENT… Easy money must be somewhere again, eh?
Big corps are hanging on to their money becuz they can. They’re waiting for our payday wage levels to tank even more so they can hire Ph’D’s for minimum wage. Or has that already happened?
Privatize the profits, Socialize the debt. There’s plenty of money out there…it’s just all PRIVATE. You Cons have set up quite a nest-egg for yourselves. Pretty soon the cities will be so broke a bank or Corporation can come in and ‘buy’ your city. Cool. By privatizing the city, all laws go out the window in regard to State and local statutes.
THIS IS THE FUTURE you are leaving for your grandchildren, Randy.
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Randy Hall says...
Corps are heading overseas because corp taxes are so very high here. Blame your liberal compassion again for their flight.
Yes, they are holding their money because they can. For now. I think in France they have a wealth tax. Soon I expect wealth will be outlawed. Just think no more redneck retirement (lottery) because of the massive wealth tax courtesy liberal compassion.
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Randy Hall says...
Roxi, government has a heart? Now that is a knee slapper. Government is the only thing in our country that runs without any oversight.
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roxi says...
RH:“It was liberals that coined the phrase too big to fail.”
Sorry, GWB said that in November,’09 with the first bail out as his office presented the 3-page no-strings-attached bail out for AIG, etc.
I know rewriting history is in vogue with the Cons, perhaps burning more books might help?
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Randy Hall says...
So Obama doesn’t agree roxi? He is our president now not GW? Didn’t Obama make GW’s bailout look tiny and didn’t Obama double-down on his?
Perhaps you are rewriting history as Obama makes it?
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Randy Hall says...
I don’t disagree with the concept that GW was liberal. It is liberal compassion that has brought us to the brink of bankruptcy. I won’t be liberal compassion that brings us back.
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roxi says...
Knock it off with the Kool-Aid Randy and try GatorAde…
Corp’s claim operating costs on their IRS forms in the USA, and profits in cheap 3rd world countries because they can. Therefore, they pay little if NO taxes in the US. WE pay more taxes per capita than your beloved Corporations! And since millions are out of work, guess what?! There’s noooooooo money to support the infrastructure in the US!
Foreign-owned American Corp’s hire foreign workers because then they do not have to pay FDIC! Why would they want to hire Americans? Is why they don’t.
Is this why the Cons want to eliminate Social Security? Enquiring minds would love to know.
Government is running without any oversight because THAT’S THE WAY BUSH set it up! That volcano erupting in the Gulf is a prime example.
Now, if you’re going to tell me that Corporations operate WITH OVERSIGHT, and give a damn about the environment in this country, I’ll know you’re totally delusional.
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roxi says...
Yeah, Obama continued the nightmare with the bailouts…would love to know what that deal was about. Also, he has the same clowns in there now that caused the financial ‘crisis’!!
Time for a 3rd party. Hightower.com says it best – find candidates who are not on the Corporate dole and we’ll find America again.
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Randy Hall says...
Corps care about the environment when it makes them money.
SS isn’t to be eliminated by conservatives; it will eliminate itself because liberal compassion isn’t sustainable.
Corps don’t need to support liberal compassion they give us the jobs necessary to have liberal compassion. Since liberal compassion is sustainable we end up hating those that do prosper while we whine someone made it.
3rd party won’t work in my lifetime.
Again GW isn’t president.
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Randy Hall says...
“…Now, contemporary liberalism is not an evil ideology. Its intentions aren’t evil or even fruitfully comparable to Hitlerism. But there is a liberal Gleichschaltung all the same. Every institution must be on the same page. Every agency must advance the liberal agenda.
And this is where the Catch-22 catches. The dream of a nimble, focused, problem-solving government is undone by the reality of hyper-mission creep. When every institution is yoked to an overarching philosophy or mission, its actual purpose can become an afterthought. In 2005, volunteer firefighters from all over the country offered to help with Katrina’s aftermath. But FEMA sent many of them to Atlanta first to undergo diversity and sexual-harassment training (which most already had).
Such examples are everywhere. What is political correctness other than the gears of the liberal Gleichschaltung? The financial crisis was worsened because Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac became tools for liberal social engineering. Let’s not even mention public schools.
The White House is determined to be a great friend (i.e., servant) to the unions, so everything from the stimulus to the automaker buyout to the Gulf spill must first pass union muster. Remember those vital, “shovel-ready” weatherization jobs the stimulus was supposed to pay for? The Labor Department delayed them for nearly a year while trying to figure out how to comply with pro-union “prevailing wage” rules for each of more than 3,000 counties.
Liberalism has become a cargo cult to the New Deal, but many of the achievements of the New Deal would be impossible now. Just try to get a Hoover Dam built today.
President Obama likes to say that “if we could put a man on the moon,” we can do anything, from socializing medicine to abandoning fossil fuels. That’s nonsense on stilts for a host of reasons. But it’s also ironic, given that we can’t even put a man on the moon anymore. Not when NASA’s foremost priority is boosting the self-esteem of children and Muslims."
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2010/07/08/government_bureaucracy_on_liberal_autopilot_106222.html
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highground says...
Bush gave us Obama. Without Bush, Obama would not be President today. Thank you republicans. Hows’ it working for ya…..
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Randy Hall says...
“…Barack Obama is dumb. How dumb? Alfred E. Newman dumb, says columnist David Limbaugh, who labeled him “President Alfred E. Obama” because of his blithe disregard of the basics of fiscal responsibility. Alfred E. Newman is the Mad magazine mascot, whose answer to every problem is his signature statement: “What, me worry?”
How dumb? How-many-Obamas-does-it-take-to-screw-in-a-light-bulb dumb. And in the answer lies the answer, the key to his pole position in the race to last: It takes 242. One to hold the light bulb, four to turn the ladder, eighteen to assess conformity to OSHA workplace requirements, four to assess the environmental impact of the burnt-out bulb disposal, twelve to participate in a task force to evaluate green energy solutions for a replacement bulb, eight to script his actions, four to script instructions and work the teleprompter, 23 to work with the justice department to sue the light bulb manufacturer…you get the picture. And, à la Buchanan, Obama never does get that light bulb changed….”
http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/07/the_dumbest_presidentever.html
Think the libs feel Obama is better than GW?
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Sovereignty Soldier says...
Telling us about government conspiracies to control our minds via chem trails isn’t your sharpest knife in your arsenal.
Ah, here Randy goes again. Putting words in my mouth. Next you’ll accuse me of believing in Chupacabras huh? That is an old game to silence or discredit but it doesn’t really work anymore.
The majority in both of your two teams have sold us out Randy. They are masonic and owe allegiance to their “brotherhood” above all else. You are doing nothing to fight the NWO if you are trying to work with current politicians or men of industry. They have already been compromised. We need to replace ALL of the current politicians with normal, average, everyday Americans who are still loyal to the ideals of freedom and to the rule of law. If this is thwarted by illegal legislation or the current power structure then it will be the bankers that bear the brunt of American anger. The bankers are the ones pulling the strings even of the secret societies.
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Randy Hall says...
Yah but….SS even if you are 100% right; what’s the fix? Spreading the love of Jesus? You have the internet the greatest mass communication device ever invented by man; what do you want me to do to stop “masonic” inflitration of our banks?
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avbornbred says...
About a year ago, we had one of our typical clear blue sky days in the AV. I was driving around town running errands for several hours. I noticed in the morning how there were several chemtrails or contrails in the sky. They stretched for miles and appeared to be getting wider. They were not disapating. As the day went on, the number of chemstrails and their width, almost created a light cloud cover. The chemtrails, or whatever you want to call them, remained for hours.
I suspect the air tempature had something to do with the chemtrails lasting all day long.
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