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Saturday, June 19 2010 - 09:50 PM
Born-Again Christian and Whistleblower
Ex Illuminati Programmer Turned Born-Again Christian and Whistleblower is Confirmed Alive and Well!
by Ed Koni, Oct 11, 2008
[Svalispeaks.worldpress.com]
I have recently confirmed that Svali, the ex-Illuminati mind control programmer who opened the eyes of thousands of people on the internet with her writings and radio interview about the inner workings of the Illuminati, is indeed alive and well! Praise Jesus! She had not been heard from online since November of 2006 and it was feared she had been killed. I have learned that she is residing safely in an isolated place of refuge with a number of fellow Christian brothers and sisters. She is in no immediate danger and is continuing to heal and grow in the Lord Jesus Christ. There is no internet access where she is staying so she cannot electronically communicate with the outside world even if she wanted to. I cannot elaborate any further on her whereabouts as I don’t want to endanger her in any way.
The Victory
by Svali
The greatest victory belongs to Jesus,
He’s the One who heals and frees us.
Satan thought he won and laughed,
little did he know his victims are being let go!
By the greatest power in heaven above,
the redeeming power of God’s great love.
Jesus is the One kneeling beside us,
untying the cords by His,
Holy Spirit inside us.
Chasing away the darkness within,
healing and cleansing us from the sin.
Jesus we love you!
Your children cry,
Thank You for freeing us,
when we thought we would die.
Your mercy so great,
I can’t understand,
Calvary’s love to free the damned.
Satan tried his feeble best,
to fight a battle he’d already lost,
because Jesus paid the cost.
His ransom paid,
I am not a slave any more,
but a child, set free to say,
THANK YOU JESUS I’M ALIVE TODAY!
I know many of you, myself included, were very concerned that the cult had possibly eliminated Svali. It is a great joy knowing that the Lord Jesus has provided a safe haven for her and that she is being watched over by Him and the brethren there.
Back in 1992, Svali and her first husband came to me and another pastor here in San Diego, CA and described some spiritual problems that Svali was experiencing. It was her desire to be free spiritually and she was really struggling to obtain that freedom she desperately sought after. We could tell by Svali’s reaction to our questions that there was a tremendous battle going on inside of her, but at that time we had no idea what was the extent of her problems or the upcoming spiritual battles that were soon to follow.
The initial ministry sessions we had with Svali were absolutely incredible! The fight to keep her denial and programming in place was intense and there is no way Svali could have gotten as far as she did without putting her faith in the Lord Jesus Christ. We had much opposition from the enemy to try to keep Svali from uncovering her past but Svali is a real fighter and she wasn’t about to be denied. After a few months of very heavy ministry work the pressure became too much for Svali to stay any longer in San Diego. As she stated in her writings, San Diego is the west coast headquarters for the Illuminati and everywhere she went she was harassed and threatened. She finally had to flee for her life to Texas.
I lost touch with Svali for almost 10 years as I didn’t know exactly where she had went and I had no idea on how to contact her. One day I came across some of her writings under her pen name “Svali”, and I realized who it was. I was able to track her down and reconnect with her. She was very open to my call and thanked me for helping her to break down the initial stages of her denial system. I kept in touch with her off and on over the next few years and I warned her about the dangers of revealing too much about the inside workings of the Illuminati. She of course knew about the danger of this far more than I did.
Although the Illuminati is very large and not easily intimidated, I am sure they were at least a bit concerned to have someone who had an intimate knowledge of how they program people and about their operations exposing it on the internet. Svali cared deeply for the people who have been hurt by this cult so she refused to be silenced about her past involvement despite many threats and attacks upon her and her family. She continued to write many articles about the Illuminati in hopes of helping people inside of the Illuminati to escape and to let the world know just how real this cult is and to reveal their plans of world domination. I believe we are seeing these plans now unfold to a greater degree around the world as the planned collapse of the world’s financial system seems to have been accelerated and is now in full swing.
Here is an excerpt from Svali’s writings about the planned worldwide financial collapse:
All groups have goals, and the Illuminists are no exception. Money making is not their final goal – it is a means to an end. This end point, or goal, is no less than to rule the world. The Illuminati has a set plan similar to the Soviet Union’s previous “5- year” and “10-year ” plans. This is what the Illuminists themselves believe and teach their followers as gospel truth. Whether they will actually succeed is another matter altogether.
The following is the Illuminist agenda at ALL levels of the Illuminati. As with any goal, the Illuminati has specific steps which it plans to implement to reach its objectives. Briefly, each region of the United States has “nerve centers” or power bases for regional activity. The United States has been divided up into seven major geographical regions. Each region has localities within it that contain military compounds and bases that are hidden in remote, isolated areas or on large private estates.
These bases are used intermittently to teach and train generational Illuminati in military techniques, hand- to- hand combat, crowd control, use of arms, and all aspects of military warfare. Why? Because the Illuminists believe that our government, as we know it, as well as the governments of most nations around the world, are destined to collapse. These will be planned collapses, and they will occur in the following ways:
The Illuminati has planned first for a financial collapse that will make the great depression look like a picnic. This will occur through the maneuvering of the great banks and financial institutions of the world, through stock manipulation, and interest rate changes. Most people will be indebted to the federal government through bank and credit card debt, etc. The governments will recall all debts immediately, but most people will be unable to pay and will be bankrupted. This will cause generalized financial panic which will occur simultaneously worldwide, as the Illuminists firmly believe in controlling people through finances.
Next there will be a military takeover, region by region, as the government declares a state of emergency and martial law. People will have panicked, there will be an anarchical state in most localities, and the government will justify its move as being necessary to control panicked citizens. The cult trained military leaders and people under their direction will use arms as well as crowd control techniques to implement this new state of affairs. This is why so many survivors under 36 years of age report having military programming. People who are not Illuminists or who are not sympathetic to their cause, will resist. The Illuminists expect this and will be (and are BEING) trained in how to deal with this eventuality. They are training their people in hand-to- hand combat, crowd control, and, if necessary, will kill to control crowds. The Illuminati is training their people to be prepared for every possible reaction to the takeover.
Many mind control victims will also be called into duty with preset command codes. These codes are meant to call out a new, completely cult loyal presenting system. Shatter codes programmed under trauma will be used to destroy or bury non-cult loyal alters.
Military bases will be set up, in each locality (actually, they are already here, but are covert). In the next few years, they will go above ground and be revealed. Each locality will have regional bases and leaders to which they are accountable. The hierarchy will closely reflect the current covert hierarchy.
About five years ago, when I left the Illuminati, approximately 1% of the US population was either part of the Illuminati, sympathetic to it, or a victim of Mind Control (and therefore considered useable). While this may not sound like many, imagine 1% of the population highly trained in the use of armaments, crowd control, psychological and behavioral techniques, armed with weapons and linked to paramilitary groups. These people will also be completely dedicated to their cause.
The Illuminati firmly believes that it can easily overcome the other 99% of the population, most of whom are untrained, or poorly trained, such as “weekend hunters.” Even the local military will be overcome as the Illuminati will have regional cell groups with highly trained leaders. They also count on the element of surprise helping them during their takeover. Many of the highest leaders in the militia branch of the Illuminati are or have been officers in the military, and so already have a good knowledge of which techniques will work best to overcome a region’s or locality’s defenses.
After the military takeover, the general population will be given a chance to either espouse the Illuminati’s cause, or reject it (with imprisonment, pain, even death being possible punishments). These people very much believe that the intelligent, or “enlightened” or Illuminated, were born to rule. They are arrogant, and consider the general population as “dumb sheep” who will be easily led if offered strong leadership, financial help in an unstable world economy, and dire consequences if the person rebels. Their utter ruthlessness, and ability to implement this agenda, should not be minimized.
The Illuminati banking leaders, such as the Rothschilds, the Vanderbilts, the Rockefellers, the Carnegies, and the Mellons, as examples, will reveal themselves, and offer to “save” the floundering world economy. A new system of monetary exchange, based on an international monetary system, and based between Cairo, Egypt, and Brussels, Belgium, will be set up. A true “one world economy”, creating the longed for “one world order”, will become reality.
There is more to the Illuminist agenda, but these are the basics of it. This agenda is what the Illuminati really, truly, believe, teach, and train for. They are willing to give their lives up in this cause, in order to teach the next generation, as they believe that their children are their legacy. I was told that my children’s generation would see this takeover, sometime in the 21st century.
At present, the Illuminati have quietly and covertly fostered their takeover plan by their goals of the infiltration of:
1. The media
2. The banking system
3. The educational system
4. The government, both local and federal
5. The sciences
6. The churches
They are currently, and have been working the last several hundred years, on taking over these 6 areas. They do NOT go to an institution, and say “hi, I’m a local Illuminist, and I’d like to take over your bank). Instead, they begin by having several people quietly invest funds over several years, gradually buying more and more shares in the bank (or other institution that they wish to control), until they have a financial controlling interest in it. They never openly disclose their agenda, or their cult activities, as often they are amnesic to them. These are well respected, “Christian” appearing business leaders in the community. The image in the community is all important to an Illuminist; they will do anything to maintain a normal, respected facade, and DESPISE exposure.
On one leadership in a major metropolitan city, where I was a member, there sat: one head of the local small business administration; one CEO of a government defense firm; one principal of a Christian school; one vice mayor of the city; one journalist; one nurse; one doctor; one behavioral psychologist, one army Colonel, and one navy Commander. All except one attended church weekly; all were well respected within the community. NONE of them appeared “evil”, or “marked”.
If you met them in person, you would probably instantly like any of these intelligent, verbal, likeable, even charismatic people. This is their greatest cover, since we often expect great evil to “appear” evil, led by media portrayals of evil as causing changes in the face and demeanor of people, or marking them like the biblical Cain. None of the Illuminists that I have known, had unkind, or evil appearing, persona in their daytime lives, although some were dysfunctional, such as being alcoholics. The dissociation that drives the Illuminists is their greatest cover for being undetected at this time. Many, if not most, of these people are completely unaware of the great evil that they are involved in, during the night.
There are other groups which are not actually part of the Illuminati, but the Illuminati are aware of them. The Illuminati are not the only group that follows esoteric practices, or worships ancient deities or demons. They encourage divisiveness between different groups (divide and conquer is one of their ruling principles), and are not concerned about other groups. Instead, they will often welcome them into their umbrella, if possible. This has been happening more and more in recent years, as the Illuminati trade teaching their training principles, which are considered the best by most secretive groups, in exchange for loyalty to the Illuminati. They will send their trainers to these groups, and the trainers will report to the local regional council.
In the political arena , the Illuminists will fund both sides of a race, because their greatest maxim is that “out of chaos comes order”, or the discipline of anarchy. That is why they sent arms to, and funded, both sides of both the great World Wars in this century. They believe that history is a game, like chess; that only out of strategy, fighting, conflict, and testing can the strong emerge. I no longer agree with this philosophy, but at one time, I did, with all my heart.
Hopefully, as these people and their agenda are exposed the common man will rise up against this intended rule to be foisted upon an unsuspecting mankind.
Svali’s battle to be free from the Illuiminati is still going on today, 16 years later, and many people had come to the conclusion that Svali was dead. I even read on one website that she had died of cancer and on another that she had a brain tumor. This is why I am coming forward at this time with this information about Svali and her whereabouts.
I am sure Svali would want you to know that the Lord Jesus Christ is able to protect those who are His until their appointed time on this earth is up. I urge anyone out there who is reading this message to take seriously the times we are in and to do as much as possible to obtain a relationship with Jesus Christ. The real living Christ, the Savior of the world. Without a relationship with Him it is going to be pretty hard to exist in this world of chaos. I urge you to seek Him with all of your heart.
Call For Christians Worldwide to Pray
I call on all Christians who love the Lord Jesus to intercede on behalf of Svali for her continued safety and deliverance. I also ask that you would that you pray for the salvation and deliverance of her family members.
I urge all Christians to not rely on their own understanding about the timing of events in the end times but to put their faith fully in God. If we put our trust in a pre-trib rapture to escape the tribulations that are coming upon this world we may be very disappointed and cast off our faith. We must instead rise up and lead people to our source of strength, our Rock, as long as we are allowed to be here as many will perish without the Truth and Light of Jesus Christ. We must be prepared to bring the Gospel to them so they can survive these terrible times ahead and spend eternity with us in His Kingdom.
John 16:33 – These things I have spoken unto you, that in Me you might have peace. In the world you shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world. – The Lord Jesus Christ
Ray Cunneff says...
This is not Christianity, this is insanity!
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mattkeltner says...
This reminds me of the movie, “Bug”, starring Ashley Judd. lol.
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Sovereignty Soldier says...
So foolish Ray! If you ever bothered to research the occult and it’s organization under Adam Weishaupt, you would see that on May 1st, 1776 the illuminati was born. Why mock what your too cowardly to face Ray?
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Sovereignty Soldier says...
Matt, I know you know better!
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mattkeltner says...
Yes, there is a group of business people who seek world dominance and who are evil and are trying to use gloablised capitalism and the governments of many nations to bring about their scheme, but I don’t think this is the apocalypse and I don’t think that certain people who believe in a certain doctrine are better than those who don’t and will be “raptured” and whisked away. The Israelites are not “chosen” and God/Goddess/Great Spirit does not favour Christians and Orthodox Jews over everyone else. The sooner you quit giving creedence to these things, the less likely they are to proliferate.
Governments and tyrants come and go, so do corrupt business people. Nobody will live forever and things will be sorted out when our souls depart our earthly bodies.
This is the way it has been done for billions of years, before the Bible was written and it is the way it continue to be from henceforth.
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Genesis says...
Matt, you said: “The Israelites are not “chosen” and God/Goddess/Great Spirit does not favour Christians and Orthodox Jews over everyone else.”
Yet GOD says: 1Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father’s house, unto a land that I will shew thee:
2And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing: 3And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+12%3A1-4&version=KJV
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lancaster says...
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one has to BELIEVE in the bible, for one to believe ur post.
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mattkeltner says...
Sherry/Genesis,
That’s fine, if you believe in it, but I don’t. I have Jewish ancestry and I don’t believe in the “chosen people” garbage. It’s nonsense. I have news for you, God doesn’t “favour” anyone, and doesn’t just “bless” America and Israel. Thank You!
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*As Rabbis Face Facts, Bible Tales Are Wilting *
New York Times; March 9, 2002.
By MICHAEL MASSING
Abraham, the Jewish patriarch, probably never existed. Nor did Moses. The entire Exodus story as recounted in the Bible probably never occurred. The same is true of the tumbling of the walls of Jericho. And David, far from being the fearless king who built Jerusalem into a mighty capital, was more likely a provincial leader whose reputation was later magnified to provide a rallying point for a fledgling nation.
Such startling propositions – the product of findings by archaeologists digging in Israel and its environs over the last 25 years – have gained wide acceptance among non-Orthodox rabbis. But there has been no attempt to disseminate these ideas or to discuss them with the laity – until now.
The United Synagogue of Conservative Judaism, which represents the 1.5 million Conservative Jews in the United States, has just issued a new Torah and commentary, the first for Conservatives in more than 60 years. Called “Etz Hayim” (“Tree of Life” in Hebrew), it offers an interpretation that incorporates the latest findings from archaeology, philology, anthropology and the study of ancient cultures. To the editors who worked on the book, it represents one of the boldest efforts ever to introduce into the religious mainstream a view of the Bible as a human rather than divine document.
“When I grew up in Brooklyn, congregants were not sophisticated about anything,” said Rabbi Harold Kushner, the author of “When Bad Things Happen to Good People” and a co-editor of the new book. “Today, they are very sophisticated and well read about psychology, literature and history, but they are locked in a childish version of the Bible.”
“Etz Hayim,” compiled by David Lieber of the University of Judaism in Los Angeles, seeks to change that. It offers the standard Hebrew text, a parallel English translation (edited by Chaim Potok, best known as the author of “The Chosen”), a page-by-page exegesis, periodic commentaries on Jewish practice and, at the end, 41 essays by prominent rabbis and scholars on topics ranging from the Torah scroll and dietary laws to ecology and eschatology.
These essays, perused during uninspired sermons or Torah readings at Sabbath services, will no doubt surprise many congregants. For instance, an essay on Ancient Near Eastern Mythology," by Robert Wexler, president of the University of Judaism in Los Angeles, states that on the basis of modern scholarship, it seems unlikely that the story of Genesis originated in Palestine. More likely, Mr. Wexler says, it arose in Mesopotamia, the influence of which is most apparent in the story of the Flood, which probably grew out of the periodic overflowing of the Tigris and Euphrates rivers. The story of Noah, Mr. Wexler adds, was probably borrowed from the Mesopotamian epic Gilgamesh.
Equally striking for many readers will be the essay “Biblical Archaeology,” by Lee I. Levine, a professor at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem. “There is no reference in Egyptian sources to Israel’s sojourn in that country,” he writes, “and the evidence that does exist is negligible and indirect.” The few indirect pieces of evidence, like the use of Egyptian names, he adds, “are far from adequate to corroborate the historicity of the biblical account.”
Similarly ambiguous, Mr. Levine writes, is the evidence of the conquest and settlement of Canaan, the ancient name for the area including Israel. Excavations showing that Jericho was unwalled and uninhabited, he says, “clearly seem to contradict the violent and complete conquest portrayed in the Book of Joshua.” What’s more, he says, there is an “almost total absence of archaeological evidence” backing up the Bible’s grand descriptions of the Jerusalem of David and Solomon.
The notion that the Bible is not literally true “is more or less settled and understood among most Conservative rabbis,” observed David Wolpe, a rabbi at Sinai Temple in Los Angeles and a contributor to “Etz Hayim.” But some congregants, he said, “may not like the stark airing of it.” Last Passover, in a sermon to 2,200 congregants at his synagogue, Rabbi Wolpe frankly said that “virtually every modern archaeologist” agrees “that the way the Bible describes the Exodus is not the way that it happened, if it happened at all.” The rabbi offered what he called a “litany of disillusion” about the narrative, including contradictions, improbabilities, chronological lapses and the absence of corroborating evidence. In fact, he said, archaeologists digging in the Sinai have “found no trace of the tribes of Israel – not one shard of pottery.”
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Genesis says...
Matt: Wow! You’re right for once. The Bible is not God. The Bible is God’s Word!
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lancaster says...
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one has to BELIEVE in the bible, for one to believe ur post.
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mattkeltner says...
No it’s not, Sherry. Sorry to burst your Bible.
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mattkeltner says...
Showing a greater fondness for their own opinions than for truth, they sought to deny and disprove the new things which, if they had cared to look for themselves, their own senses would have demonstrated to them. To this end, they hurled various charges and published numerous writings filled with vain arguments, and they made the grave mistake of sprinkling these with passages taken from places in the Bible which they had failed to understand properly, and were ill suited to their purposes."
- Galileo, in a letter to Christina, Duchess of Tuscany.
(do the people Galileo is referring to remind you of anyone? Lancaster Baptist perhaps? Sherry? The religious right-wing of the GOP?)
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CMGINAV says...
Just take the time to watch them and then think and decide for yourself. The Bible talks about people being “willfully ignorant” and choose to believe a lie instead of the truth. Because of this willful choice God allows them to be deceived by a “strong delusion”. That delusion is what we have been led to believe is reality. The false reality that has us putting faith in our leaders and never questioning what the media tells us is truth even when it doesn’t make sense. Matt you are wrong about the Jews being chosen. Not that God doesn’t love us all, but He has a special place in His heart for them. He has tried and tried to lead them but they always want things their way. They wanted the Messiah that came to conquer for them. Many of them will be deceived by the anti-Christ because they are still waiting for the Messiah that has already come, been crucified, and has risen. If not believe one who was in the Illuminati and has now come to Christ and renounced his sin, then you will believe nothing. Even a sign would not have convinced the Israelites who would not believe in He who fulfilled ALL required prophecy.
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avbornbred says...
Matt: Again you demonize capitalism by saying a group of business people were or are seeking world dominance.
When was the last time you saw an evil country based on capitalism? All of the evil countries during the Industrial Revolution to the present were based on Facism, Socialism, and Communism. Then you have the dictatorships along with that bunch.
The West, where Capitalism reigns, has always done more good for the world than any of those other forms of government. Capitalism allows for free markets. Free markets will boost economies all over the world. Countries that are failing, through out the free market economy in favor of government run socialistic forms that always prove to fail.
Obama is trying to wreck our economy. The simple soloution, is let private industry thrive through Capitalism and our economy will again be at the top of the world.
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Genesis says...
CMGINAV & avbornbread, it is interesting how anti-capitalists try to make their point by inaccurate references and analogies. 2 Peter 3:2-5 That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour: Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as [they were] from the beginning of the creation. For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
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Sovereignty Soldier says...
avborn you misunderstand. Matt was not refering to capitalism but to the Illuminati who are anything BUT capitalists. They are wealthy, influential, greedy, and follow the Luciferian doctrine. Matt was attempting to downplay their significance by simply refering to them as “business people seeking world dominance”. They are not seeking dominance so they can make the world better for us. It is about control-again, they are occultists and this has been the agenda of the occult since before the days they were forced underground.
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CMGINAV says...
Capitalism isn’t the problem. Spirits of greed and of anti-Christ which indwell those who take certain oaths are the problem. I am a capitalist but not at the price of immorality or harm to others. No amount of money is worth more than a human life-(even 1).
When one becomes a Freemason, part of the oaths has them say they have been in darkness and are in need of light. This is a denial of Jesus Christ who is the true Light of the World. The counterfeit, Lucifer, masquarades in brilliance and is Biblically referred to as the “Son of the Morning”. The occult believe Lucifer is the god of wisdom and knowledge because of the apple in the garden. They accuse God of limiting mans’ knowledge in attempts at control. Even look at the Apple logo? It is an apple with a bite missing. It is an occult symbol representing knowledge. Open your eyes to the truth of the world and the TRUTH of Jesus Christ.
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avbornbred says...
In Matt’s eye, I am sure Capitalist are every thing the Illuminati are, wealthy, influential, greedy, and follow Luciferian doctrine. In a libs eyes, that is what all conservatives stand for.
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Sovereignty Soldier says...
The illuminati introduced the doctrine of Liberalism. It is explained why in their writing “The Protocols of Zion”. Their whole agenda and plan to achieve it is in there. Take the time to read it and you will see it is no hoax. It lays out everything that has transpired over the last couple hundred years and what they are doing right now. You will understand what is going on after reading.
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Sovereignty Soldier says...
They also brought about the feminist movement in an effort to get women out working thereby leaving the state to raise their children while at the same time increasing the tax base by 50%.
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mattkeltner says...
CMGINAV says…
Capitalism isn’t the problem. Spirits of greed and of anti-Christ…
Dust off your Bible, there Mike! Jesus wasn’t a capitalist. Remember the passage about the money changers in the temple? And, yes, capitalism is contrary to Christian doctrine, as inconvenient as that may be for you, Avinbred and Sherry (Genesis) to understand. Just because you are accustomed to something, doesn’t make it wholesome and virtuous.
Sovereignty Soldier says…
The illuminati introduced the doctrine of Liberalism.
So, the Illuminati must care about enacting Clean Air and Water legislation, ending Child Labour, giving workers a voice in industry, protecting endangered species, making sure that all citizens have access to jobs, healthcare and education — Yes! This sounds totally diabolical, doesn’t it?
Sovereignty Soldier says…
They also brought about the feminist movement in an effort to get women out working…
Yes, if women step out of the kitchen, untie their aprons and kick off their stilettoes, it must be because the devil, via the Illumanati, made them do it…Sure!
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Sovereignty Soldier says...
Matt that is Nicholas Rockefellers’ own admission about the feminist movement!
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Sovereignty Soldier says...
Matt liberalism was introduced to produce people such as yourself-Godless. It undermines Biblical values and moral authority. It is the biggest killer of Christianity ever introduced. You may not like authority, or traditions, or the idea of being created and having a creator, but I assure you all are necessary to ensure a moral society. What we have today makes me stop and ask “what the hell happened”? When did kids wake up and decide to show their butts to everyone instead of covering them and why do the teenage girls not laugh and ridicule them? What is with these big disks in peoples’ ears? Who thought that looked good? It looks ridiculous! Next will be the rings around the neck or the disks in the lips. Why the bodily mutilation? What happened to shows on T.V. like "Growing Pains, The Cosby Show, Family Ties, Odd Wonder, or Happy Days? The shows today suck and it makes me sick to see people idolize karaoke singers in reality T.V.
When I was growing up there was no “Ellen” or “Rosies” to influence our kids and tell them it is ok to experiment and gay is normal. Our society is being purposely driven away from God and Christ. I encourage all to read the Bible for themselves and not just let the pastor tell them what it says.
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mattkeltner says...
Sovereignty Soldier says…
Matt liberalism was introduced to produce people such as yourself-Godless.
Mike,
You HAVE NO IDEA what my spirituality is. You also know not what my relationship with God is, so please don’t false speculations. It’s really sad though, that just because I don’t see God as some big, punitive Zeus-In-The-Sky throwing “gotcha” lightning bolts at everyone, I’m “godless” ? LOL.
No, you’re just delusional. Read your post, it’s absurd! You’re pissed because people aren’t watching shows from the 1970s and 1980s anymore.
You are bat-shit crazy! Go join Lancaster Baptist.
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Sovereignty Soldier says...
Oh but I do. You fool around with spirits who lie and tell you they are your dead relatives. The Bible tells us the dead cannot speak. They are dead until the resurrection Matt. If nothing else I know you are not a Christian as divination and conversing with spirits is forbidden as is homosexuality.
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Sovereignty Soldier says...
You love the new shows because they all have to push tolerance for “alternative lifestyles” or other religions. Sorry but there is only one way and that is Jesus Christ. I’m supposed to open my house and mind to doctrines of the world? Not to mention influencing my young daughter whom is growing into a dedicated Christian. No thanks. We are Christians and citizens of the United States of America, NOT of the world!
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mattkeltner says...
I don’t take the Bible literally. Most logical people don’t.
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Amir Raheem says...
Matt, when you say most logical people….do you have some authority to justify that claim, how do you quantify It??
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mattkeltner says...
Amir,
There is a spiritual part in all of us. It is a gift bestowed by our Greater Being or “God”, if that’s what you want to refer to it as.
Our spirituality is a beautiful part of the human experience. It is not religion and shouldn’t be mistaken as such.
Scientists have identified this spiritual part of humans by measuring brain activity and can pinpoint the area of the brain where it is felt. They have aptly nicknamed it, “the God spot”.
This part of the brain inspires us to act in love, to take in our surroundings and appreciate them, to feel compassion for the suffering of others, to be artistic and creative. Those involved in metaphysics strongly believe that this is the part of your brain that contains a tiny slice of the Creator and is the part that you can connect to Him/Her/It with.
Since the dawn of humankind, people have been using their “God Spot” for guidance and to make conscious decisions concerning the society around them.
With the development of literacy and written language, inspired men and women all over the world begin to put their most intimate thoughts on paper. Some of these thoughts were truly spiritual, while others used spirituality and man-made legalities to forge an identity. This is exactly the case concerning the Israelites in the Middle East. Some of what we call “the Torah” (Old Testament) are beautiful, spiritual, inspiring works (the Psalms, Song of Soloman). Some of it is instructive wisdom (Proverbs) while other parts (Exodus and Deuteronomy) were ethnic codes developed by Hebrew leaders to keep the Israelites “pure” and from being able to blend in with surrounding nations. This isn’t because God “told them” to do so, but because they were fiercly nationalistic. Most Reform Jewish and Conservative Jewish rabbis adhere to this very same conclusion and these are highly learned men (and women, in the case of Reformed rabbis). The New York Times article posted above is demonstrative of this very point.
The Bible, as a whole, is a collection of books. Some are spiritual, some proverbial, some are ethnocentric, some are documentary and some, as has been pointed out, are without verification.
The New Testament is even more strangely put together than the Old Testament. It is a collection of books that were decided upon by councils dominated by men. When these men convened, they picked and choosed among various writings while leaving out many others. These councils were often very political and never included women or gave thought to communities of people outside of the realm of the geopgraphic area they were written and then included.
So, from a purely academic standpoint, it is not logical to take the Bible literally.
Amir Raheem says...
Matt,I was just asking how you quantify most logical people. That statement suggest exclusion…so I was wondering how you came up with “most” as opposed to; some, or many or a few. Again my question to you is how do YOU quantify or maybe I should have said validate that statement?
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mattkeltner says...
I validate my statement based on the opinions and ideas of learned people with knowledge more advanced than mine. When you have accrued a certain level of information encompassing science, sociology, comparative religion, theology, psychology, history and critical thinking, it’s no longer that much of a mystery as to why people behave certain ways, believe certain things and act in a certain manner.
When you have accumulated a large degree of understanding with regard to each of the aforementioned items, you began to operate less whimsically and more logically. Most of the admirable people in my life — people with highly advanced degrees and accolades — believe in God, or a Higher Being, but they know better than to become entangled in dogma because they see it for what it is: a man-made invention, and one with a disreputable history wherever it has been given administrative authority.
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Amir Raheem says...
When you say “most” logical people…I expected you were going to give some statistics, that would bolster your claim…I guess not. All that you have written reads very well, but the rhetoric you have offered is not new and is available from many sources.
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Randy Hall says...
Amir, good job in picking out MK’s sweeping generalization.
Is it logical to make sweeping generalizations even based on scientific evidence?
Sadly no. Well not so sadly, but you understand how intolerant a generalization is and that is why Amir I’m sure that you picked up on it.
When presented with a do as I say not as I do argument I feel it is sometimes necessary to point out the logical flaw. Glad you feel that need to Amir.
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avbornbred says...
Thanks Matt: You and I can agree to disagree on many issues. I think we agree in trying to be the best people we can be, just by different methods. Your beliefs are from the Liberal perspective, and mine from a more conservative one.
Having been raised in the church, I had an open mind and could see who the true Christians were and who were the hypocrites. There was a very rich man in my church, who would pay for 20 people from the church to travel to Israel every year for two weeks. He always wore the nicest suits and prayed the loudest. When I was 18, I worked for him painting houses and apartment building he owned. These properties were all in South Central LA, were basically slum level types. I was told to “slap” paint on the walls to stay ahead of the Health Department. With all of his money, he neglected the people who rented from him, was quick to evict, yet would throw his money around the church flaunting it. This church was a big one in Hollywood. There were a lot of very well to do types, and those who attended the church because it made them feel good knowing the few celebs who attended. On one occasion, I saw a homeless man try to walk into the sanctuary to attend a Sunday service. An usher escorted him out. That was another defining moment where I saw the ugly side of the church.
I attended a small church in Palmdale for over 15 years. There were only about 100 people in this church. There were cops, alcoholics, drug addicts, blue collar workers, and some wealthy people. When a church member is in crisis, the church acts as one, and everyone chips in to get people through the hard times. To me, that is what being a true Christian is, helping the fellow man who really needs it.
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Amir Raheem says...
That was not my intent Randy, but it did get to that. I find it difficult to speak on a subject when someone has the position that everyone can be thrown into one category, and “there you have it”. But it is a common mistake in debate to suggest without realizing the comments are either all inclusive or exclusive. All I wanted Matt to do was help me understand, with some type of statistic, what he meant by “most”.
The point however is moot. As AVBB put it sometimes you can only agree to disagree.
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Randy Hall says...
Disagreeing with a person that wants you dead doesn’t mean you can agree to disagree.
Please don’t think I said MK wants anybody dead!
I’m pointing out sometimes those that disagree don’t like how you live; they think you are a simpleton for living that way, and they feel you only need their education to understand how wrong you are. If you reject them for any reason they attempt to go around you.
This going around us is what we are witnessing in the immigration controversy. One big problem it isn’t people we should want to leave or keep out it is the socialist safety net that want to partake in. Thatcher was right, you finally run out of other people’s money when you have a socialist safety net.
So Amir, agree to disagree but when they come to take you away disagreeing with them will be too late.
To prevent that you need to take a proactive approach and join in a movement that has the target firmly in their sights. I’ll let you know when I find that movement.
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Amir Raheem says...
Randy your point is well taken, and I don’t disagree :-) with your premise.And yes The free ride will eventually end and metaphorically, the well will dry up and the food exhausted. I did not think I would live to see that day, but I fear it is just over the horizon. I do however realize the struggle for the only thing of true value has been won, and I refer to my indelible soul. And when “they” come for me, it will only signify a last desperate attempt to control that.. which cannot be.
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Sovereignty Soldier says...
This is what true Christianity is all about. It is about Truth, spiritual warfare, and sabotaging the enemies plan. That being “Novus Ordo Seclorum”.
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