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Saturday, June 05 2010 - 01:48 AM
Are We Living In The End Times?
As A Christian I firmly believe in Bible prophecy and have been a student of prophecy and the “signs of the times” for many years. I have been a believer since I can remember. I have no doubts and never entertain doubting thoughts. All cannot be known now and that is o.k. with me. I hope to ask God to let me watch history in playback and with all the angle options. I thirst for truth and love exposing lies and throwing monkey wrench’s into the works of those lying. All that being said, I was wondering which of you also are Bible believing Christians? If there be any who like prophecy and scripture I invite you to comment on the below post. If you are not a believer please, I already know what you think, no need to post it, but if it is constructive or in the spirit of debate-comment away.

And Satan, taking Jesus up to the highest peak of the mountain, showed Him all the Kingdoms of the world in an instaneous moment of time. And the Devil said unto Him, All this power will I give thee, even all the glory of these Kingdoms, for they are mine to give and to whomsoever I will I give them to. Therefore, if you would just fall and worship me all of these shall be yours. And Jesus answered and said unto Satan, It is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord God and to Him only shalt thou serve.

Luke 4:5-8; The Holy Bible

Two Royal Families in Great Britain have claimed of them to be descendants of the Royal House of David, a Bloodline which supposedly produced many of the ruling Houses of Europe today, including the British Monarchy and current ruling House of Windsor. The other family important to this lineage is the Scottish House of Stuart (Spencer), whose most infamous descendant was the late Princess Diana. While there is discrepancy as to whether or not the Windsor claims to the Throne of England are legitimate (being descendants of the Germanic House of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha), most agree that the Stuart lineage are not only the rightful heirs to the Throne of England (and Scotland), yet also to the Throne of David, and Israel itself. In light of this, it was therefore of paramount importance that the Windsor’s seek out a ‘Virgin’ of the Merovingian Bloodline to marry into, in effect, to finally legitimize their long held Occult power and authority claimed of them being descendants of Crusader Godfrey de Bouillon, who was given the honor of the Kingdom and declared “King of Jerusalem” in 1099, as well as creating what they see would be a unique Christ descendant from such a union of their draconic lineages that would forever legitimize their tight grasp on the British Monarchy. Therefore this intriguing and most infamous of arranged marriages between Charles and Grail Princess Diana was not hatched solely by the Windsor’s themselves, it was of far more ancient design and connected to the Knights Templar. Interestingly enough, six months after the Royal Wedding, while Diana was already three months pregnant, came the release of Holy Blood Holy Grail in which the three authors made the shocking claim of the secret of the Knights Templar. This ‘secret’ being propagated to the world in 1982 contained the genealogical record of the Davidic Bloodline passing thru Christ and His descendants to became the Frankish Merovingian Kings, a secret which curiously became the foundation for the modern Occult itself, connected to their prophecy about the birth of a future Antichrist figure.

This ancient secret that included a unique Bloodline supposedly descended from King David was so powerfully wrought with arcane knowledge that it threatened the gluttonous ruling classes of Europe and Church, granting the original Templars enough power to rival both Europe’s nobles and the Church itself with extinction. The Knights Templars practiced and prospered, worshiping a god named Baphomet which many believed to be the Devil. In time the Church, as well as the new King of France (who it is said was awash in Templar debt) had enough, the decree went out and the once untouchable Knights Templar who had grown so vastly powerful in such a short time, were rounded up and put to death wherever they were found, yet many were not found. The year was 1313, and the abrupt disappearance of a major part of the European infrastructure left some to speculate that Templars had escaped into the underground, taking with them their vast wealth, power, and knowledge. And so it was, from France into Scotland, the Templars took with them their heretical lineage, science, and secrets where they patiently waited, and subtly worked. Many of today’s secret fraternal Orders, including Scottish Rite Freemasonry, as well as the cunningly devised metaphysical movements which prepare for a New Age, even Satanic cults themselves, all trace their spiritual roots to Grail Templarism as well as the so-called Divine Feminine. While in Scotland, the Templars created the Jacobite movement, putting its cause behind the Royal House of Stewart. The “Davidic Bloodline” had now secured a Crown in what was becoming the most powerful country in the world, as Queen Elizabeth I dies without an heir and James Stewart VI of Scotland becomes King James of England. The Knights Templar, and their Royal House of Stewart were thence connected to the powerful Bloodline and seat, a Bloodline which eventually produced Lady Diana Spencer, the late Princess of Wales.

Masonic lore states that surviving Templars banded together in Scotland and eventually established the basic tenants of Freemasonry which was based on [Templar] secret teachings.

Essential Wicca p. 425

The Templars were charged of worshipping an idol named Baphomet, urinating on the cross, ritual murder of children, worshipping the devil and committing acts of sodomy and bestiality. Though the Order was disbanded, and its leader Jacques de Molay executed, legend has it that a number of Knights escaped to Scotland, where they became protectors of a Bloodline affiliated to the Merovingians, the Stuarts, supposed descendants of King Arthur [the Kabbalistic Sun-King of the Ages].

http://www.thedyinggod.com/holygrail.htm

However, in his version Jesus’ family was perpetuated in several European families, not exclusively the Merovingians. For example, the Bloodline was also established in Britain by Joseph of Arimathea, from which [King] Arthur and the other Kings of Britain were descended. The “Grail Bloodline” led to the Scottish House of Stewart.

The Sion Revelation p. 285

The notion that Magdalene was pregnant by Jesus at his Crucifixion became especially entrenched in France. Several French Kings promoted the legend that descendants of Magdalene’s child founded the Merovingian line of European royalty, a story revived by Richard Wagner in his opera Parsifal and again in connection with Diana, Princess of Wales, who reportedly had Merovingian Blood.

Secrets of the Code p. 13

06/05/10 - 01:57 AM
CMGINAV says...
The Merovingian Kings, their supposed Holy Bloodline (and their true progenitor), have a rich and twisted history all their own, yet is directly connected to the supposed findings of the Templars in that they are the connective link between the Christ lineage and European Royalty, which is believed to include the Hapsburgs, Plantagenets, and Stuarts, among others. According to this latest revived heresy developed with a very specific purpose and timeframe yet to play out, Jesus did not die on the cross and rise from the dead becoming mankind’s Salvation, instead it is claimed He had sex with Mary Magdalene, survived the Roman crucifixion, and lived to father at least one, or a number of Divine children, the firstborn said to be a son named Judah or Merovee, a name later given to the first Merovingian King in France (447 to 458 AD) while others believe the child was actually a daughter, given the name of Sarah (or Tamar, which became the name of an ultra-secretive organization whose task it was to protect future Merovingian descendants). Regardless of the supposed names, titles, and endless genealogies, an entire race of enlightened Christ-like beings each leading to the next in succession in some Messianic Dynasty has supposedly passed down through the ages toward a final One who would rule in the name of Christ, albeit, in the stead (instead) of Christ. This could only be Anti-Christ. The same who take these fanciful claims of Christ having ‘holy’ children who twist it into historical fact also say these “truths” were kept hidden from the rest of the world, having been suppressed by the Catholic Church and revealed only by the original Knights Templar who then passed these shocking revelations on to an underground stream of alchemists, astrologers, cabalists, necromancers, and elite Royal families through various secret societies such as the main inheritors of the Templarian secrets, the Freemasons. The fact that this information is becoming known and falsely tauted as the Bloodline of Christ to this generation indicates the time of the Merovingian Antichrist revealing is near.

The British Royal Family’s own links to this supposed Bloodline and history is damning in of itself (as it turns out to be a lineage dating back to Cain, and not Christ at all) passing through the Merovingian Kings of France and into Scotland where it became known as the House of Stuart, of which Princess Diana is descended from and becomes her more legitimate trace to this Bloodline of the Holy Grail which is why, as it is believed, she was selected by the British Royal Family* for the most infamous of arranged marriages. To the Occult mind, she literally was the Holy Grail, the receptor of Christ’s Blood, the embodiment of the Divine Feminine, and her womb would bring forth a powerful King into the world who provides the many curative powers attributed to the Grail for the healing of a wounded world. With certain guidance from their ‘spirit masters’ over a span of six millennia, secret societies such as the modern Knights Templar and others each have their role as protector to the ancient lineage, as Guardians of the Holy Grail, unseen hands throughout the ages carrying out the will of one who made it. As such, this Bloodline was always to find its way down thru history, thru the vanquishing of ancient advanced civilizations, thru the rise and fall of great empires, thru violent crusades and times of inquisition right into our own modern age and into its intended final recipient, who according to the Occult texts, seems much more to be an Antichrist figure than anything even remotely resembling Jesus Christ. Might it be therefore that this Bloodline, being “the secret of all ancient secret societies,” is currently being made public and purposefully released into the mainstream of society as a way to lay a foundation for further “secrets” to come, to deceive the masses? Have you ever noticed that all of these same secrets go at great strides to denegrate the Divinity of Christ, while promoting a questionable lineage that is actually connected to the coming Antichrist?

Through the ages, the secret of the “Holy lineage” has gone by many names, strange metaphors, and Occult symbols with those possessing it believing themselves to be true and rightful heirs of Jerusalem, they being the true Kingdom of [their] God on earth and gods of a Divine Monarchy whose right it is to rule the world. Heresy at best as some might attribute, yet it is their own elitist belief and prophecy in a soon revealed King from the lineage of King David, of Anglo-Messianic descent which arises to preside over all the world at a time he’s needed most, that is most intriguing. So the current British Royal Family sought out a young Virgin, not for the love that many, including Diana herself, were at first deceived with, yet the seedy marriage arrangement was devised for one purpose only, for the Merovingian ancestry Diana held, knowing the firstborn child produced would be an heir to the Merovingian-Grail lineage and therefore rightful heir to the Throne of David. However, what is seen by them to be another incarnation of the Christ must give way to the far more ancient warnings in Scripture which speak of an earthly King that arises in the place of Christ, instead of Christ, who is perceived to have all the credentials to make himself the World Messiah yet who is the Antichrist. Scriptures refer to this one as the last Evil King and Beast who together with his Prophet, shall deceive the nations and Israel into a covenant made not with peace and security, yet with death and hell. What else should we know in advance to this obvious DaVinci Code disinformation campaign currently running which is actually serving to educate and outright deceive the world about a supposed Bloodline from Christ taking us? Where is all of this “evidence” of a Merovingian King in line to the British Throne having rights to be called Israel’s Messiah leading us?

The hidden heirs to the Knights Templar devised a method to pass on their sacred knowledge; a system that eventually developed into Freemasonry, Rosicrucianism and the Invisable College, which later transmuted into the Royal Society in England.

Rosslyn: Guardian of the Secrets of the Holy Grail p. 126

The Spirit speaketh expressly that in the End Times many shall depart from the Faith and instead listen to seducing spirits and doctrines of demons. There shall be false prophets and teachers who shall bring forth damnable heresies denying that Jesus Christ is Lord. And many shall follow their destructive teaching; by reason of whom they shall speak evil of Christ [therefore] Make certain that they teach no other Gospel, neither give heed to legends and endless genealogies. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, and they shall turn away their ears from the Truth and instead shall be turned unto vain legends. And now ye know what withholdeth [Antichrist] until he is revealed in his time. For the Mystery of Iniquity doth already work until He be taken out of the way and then shall that Wicked One be revealed, whose coming is the work of Satan with all power, signs and lying wonders.

1Timothy 4:1, 1:3-4; 2Peter 2:1-2, 2Timothy 4:3-4; 2Thessalonians 2:5-9
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06/05/10 - 06:43 AM
AV Town Crier says...
While not a Christian myself—I agree with what you’re saying. I just don’t think the end will be the same as you see it—be that as it may—we have arrived a the end of days and whatever will happen will happen.
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06/05/10 - 06:55 AM
moondevil says...
I believe all this madness will continue far longer than we will ever live to see.
Why shouldn’t it? We deserve it, so do our children.
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06/05/10 - 05:44 PM
CMGINAV says...
Based on what I have read and researched, I believe 2012 will be a year of both natural and man made global disasters of Biblical porportions. This will be done for two reasons, one to lower the population, and two to convince the survivors that it was the apocalypse and the return of the messiah is emminent. Then comes the occult rip off of Jesus Christ, Satans’ AntiChrist.
The real Armeggedon is still not yet though. The AntiChrist will usher in a period of peace and will deceive many into following him and his worldly plan. At the very end, before Jesus comes back and intercedes Satan will try to destroy the entire planet with the nuclear arsenal he has gained by disarming all the nations in his global peace plan. God will shorten the days(intercede) for the elect sake or none would survive. This is of course my opinion, but it does line up with prophecy.

WWW.GrailCode.Net
If nothing else, a great and entertaining read.
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06/05/10 - 05:58 PM
AV Town Crier says...
2012 won’t be any different (on the surface) than 2011 or today. it will signify the start (subtle at first) the great change that will occur.

When this calamity ultimately runs it course (within 25 years or so) man will no longer reign as king of the food chain.
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06/05/10 - 06:09 PM
CMGINAV says...
But the occult have a plan, an agenda to bring in AntiChrist. They use deception just like their father. They don’t appear on the surface evil, in fact they hide their evil by doing good deeds. They need to fool the masses into accepting AntiChrist as the REAL Christ Jesus. They need to convince Christians they just been through the apocalypse and the messiah has returned.
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06/05/10 - 06:18 PM
CMGINAV says...
“Holy Blood, Holy Grail” published by Dell Pub Co, 666 Fifth Avenue, New York; demonstrate[s] the link between Mysticism, Occultism and the 33° Freemasons. Shows how they are cooperating, and have been for years, to produce the New World Order and its man, Antichrist. Ever wonder about Merlin in the King Arthur romances or the origins of Freemasonry, De Molay Society or the Rosicrucians? We recommend this book to the mature believer in the Biblical Jesus Christ who wants to see how European this entire New Age One World Government Plan is.

http://www.cuttingedge.org/review/rv111.html

In the latter time of their book about the Holy Blood theory, they state that they noticed the repeating theme of the Grail in their historical research. For example, Godfroi de Bouillon was according to medieval legend desecended from Lohengrin, the Knight of the Swan, who was in one Grail text the son of Perceval, the original Grail hero. However, the real similarities seem to arise when comparing several aspects of the Celtic Arthurian legend to the Merovingian Empire.

The Holy Grail: The Legend, the History, the Evidence p. 135

There are at least a dozen families in Britain and Europe today with numerous collateral branches who are of Merovingian lineage. These include the Houses of Hapsburg-Lorraine, Plantard, Luxembourg, Montpezat, Montesquiou, and various others. According to the Prieure documents, the Sinclair family in Britain is also allied to the Bloodline as are various branches of the Stuarts. All of these Houses could claim a pedigree from Jesus; and if one man at some point in the future is to be put forward as a new Priest-King [Messiah], we do not yet know who he is.

Holy Blood Holy Grail p. 409-10

It seems to be another deception designed to bestow apparent credibility on the Merovingian survival story, this time laying a trail to London. All this prompted Baigent, Leigh, and Lincoln to hypothesize that the mysterious Grail represented a real lineage – a bloodline…yet whose bloodline was it?

The Sion Revelation p. 209, 261

The Royals of Great Britain in particular have arranged for the destruction of Christianity. The Holy Grail blasphemously represents the Blood of Jesus as having been preserved in this Royal Family, which is heir to the Throne at Jerusalem. The Protocols of the Elders of Zion (p. 406) speaks of a New King of “the Holy Seed of David” who will preside over a “Masonic Kingdom.” Who might be the heir of this purported Royal Bloodline of Jesus deemed worthy to sit on the Throne of David?

Lady Diana was married to Prince Charles to combine the House of Windsor and the House of Stuart. The authors of “Holy Blood, Holy Grail” include a list of noble families of Merovingian heritage which include the following quote: “According to the ‘Prieuré documents,’ the Sinclair family in Britain is also allied to the Bloodline, as are various branches of the Stuarts.” Of special note, Princess Diana was a member of the Stuart family, which claims a greater nobility than the House of Windsor. Moreover, along with the glories of Freemasonry, the Stuart contribution to this Occult order is acclaimed thusly: “During their stay in France the Stuarts had been deeply involved in the dissemination of Freemasonry.” Arthurian texts makes the Messianic role quite clear: ’I bring thee the desired Knight who is descended from the Bloodline lineage of King David."

http://www.balaams-ass.com/journal/prophecy/priory.htm

The coming world leader commonly known as the Antichrist has at least 33 titles* ascribed to him in the Old Testament and 13 titles in the New, yet despite what some may think, he is only called the “Antichrist” five times in all of Scripture and all of those are found within the epistles of John, possibly the same man who wrote Revelation where Antichrist is then called “the Beast”. However, there are two more titles in particular that reappear four times between Isaiah and Revelation which further intrigue. The coming Antichrist is called a “Prince” in Daniel 9:26-27; “the people of the Prince that shall come shall destroy the City and the Sanctuary,” yet he is also called a “King” in Revelation 17:8; “the King who was, is not, yet will be again.” This shows us that the coming Antichrist is not just metaphorically called a King, as some believe, but that he will move through the normal procession of a monarchial tradition, being first a European Prince, and then a King. Daniel 9:26-27, which makes a Biblically common dual-layered prophecy whose first fulfillment came in 66AD, the year of a great Omen by why of a large Comet, when Vespasian along with his son Titus (fitting the ‘Roman Prince’ archetype) and his armies destroyed both Jerusalem and the Temple (the City and the Sanctuary) over the next four years until Jerusalem became a wasteland, yet its future and final fulfillment shall occur when the Antichrist along with his False Prophet and armies destroy that future Third Temple, and with it, Jerusalem. The Scriptures use this kind of dual-layered prophecy more than once, and it has always confused people yet we know the prophecy in Daniel is referring to the Antichrist because of Christ’s own prophetically coded language found within Matthew 24:3-33 (among others) in which he links Daniel’s entire prophecy about the “Abomination of Desolation,” the future “Prince to come,” to be the end-time Antichrist, and the key to unlocking that truth is found in verse three “As He sat upon the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, Tell us when shall these things be? What shall be the sign of thy coming and of the end of the world?” (*See ‘Cain: A Type of the Coming Antichrist and Son of Satan’)

As with most prophetic Scripture, especially those found in Daniel, God always makes a way for the correct interpretation to be known. In this instance, Christ made it clearly known what was meant by Daniel’s prophecy when providing the interpretation that there were two distinct destructions coming upon Israel, the first by a Roman and his Roman army, the later fulfillment in the endtimes by the Antichrist, a European Prince that arises out of a nation formerly included in the ancient Roman Empire. Interestingly, London itself was actually created and founded by the Romans around 33 AD, the same year Christ was crucified. It quickly became a large industrial Roman port city linking London directly to Rome. After which, Rome then flooded thousands of troops into England, thru their new city stronghold where they conquered ancient Britain north to Hadrian’s Wall. Biblical prophecy authors and researchers have debated for decades announcing that the Antichrist must be a Roman, and arise out of Rome, from their linear understanding of the Scriptures in Daniel and Revelation. A more careful look at those same prophecies however clearly indicate that the coming Prince arises out of a nation (and city) that was part of the ancient Roman Empire, not Rome itself. The fact that London was actually created by Roman hands does lend an interesting connection and shows us that London virtually became, in effect, the ‘New Rome’ by 66 AD.

Britain officially became part of the Roman Empire by 84 AD whereby the Roman Legions remained there until around 410 AD. As Rome and the Roman Empire itself waned in power, England and its new capital city of London gained power, prestige, and global influence. Today, we have a Prince and soon-to-be King about to rise from this ancient Roman nation whose power still sits upon “many waters,” which brings to mind that apocalyptic Great Harlot, Mystery Babylon of Revelation 18 who holds in her hand the golden Grail of Blood. Add to this, certain facts now surfacing attempting to expose the secretive Occult factions behind the American and British Governments, and their intelligence agencies, whose end goal is the creation of a British-led Anglo-Empire uniting the world in ‘peace’ while bringing forth an Aryan-Arthurian figure to the forefront after a great global destruction, at a time when the world is weakened enough and in need of such a leader, and we have all the makings of the ultimate conspiracy. We aren’t told who this future ruler might be, yet the Occult underground is supposedly preparing their ranks for a young and charismatic Prince who will be seen in the future as a King Arthur returned. Shortly before her untimely death in France, the late Princess Diana herself is quoted as saying – “I believe Wills (her name for William) can rebuild Camelot and I will be his Merlin. Together we will return to the chivalry, pageantry, and the glory that was King Arthur’s Court. William will remake the British Monarchy by showing love, leadership, and compassion.”

According to the Illuminati, the Antichrist King Arthur will draw around him the bravest and noblest Knights in the realm. They and their Monarch will comprise the ‘Circle of the Round Table’. In Great Britain today, certain members of the Illuminati, including Prince Charles and Prince Philip, take part in rituals and symbols of an odd secret society called the ‘Order of the Garter’. This Order with its ceremonial magic, is thought to be a precursor to the coming establishment of the Round Table. So demented are the leaders of the Illuminati that they fancy themselves to be the modern-day inheritors of the Arthurian legend. Upon the appearance, expected soon, of their great and Divine King, or ruler, they would be Knights of the ‘Circle of the Round Table.’.

http://www.conspiracy-net.com/satanism.txt

The state of Charles’ and Diana’s marriage was one of the prime reasons the Queen clearly indicated she intended to continue as Monarch until her death…(If there was a formal separation or divorce), Charles would find it all but impossible to take the religious vows at his coronation as King and head of the Church…If those events did indeed unfold, then the Throne of England would pass directly to Prince William.

Antichrist and a Cup of Tea p. 240

The Queen has appointed Prince William to be a Royal Knight Companion of the Most Noble Order of the Garter. The Order of the Garter is the most senior and the oldest British Order of Chivalry and was founded by Edward III in 1348. The Future King Prince William becomes the 1,000th Knight in the Register of the ancient Order.

The Prince of Wales Official Website

It was thought that in 1344 King Edward III inspired by the legend of King Arthur and the Knights of the Round Table, made a spectacular demonstration of his interest in Arthurian legend during a tournament at Windsor Castle. He also promised to renew King Arthur’s fraternity of Knights with all the paragons of knightly virtues with a complement of 300 men. Work also even began on a gigantic circular building two-hundred feet across within the upper ward of the castle to house this so-called Order of the Round Table [an Order which then eventually became the Order of the Garter].

http://www.heraldicsculptor.com/Garters.html

When he would become King, William will be the first Monarch to descend from King Charles II since Queen Anne. His royal bloodline will be traced up not on the Windsors but on the Spencers because the Stuarts preceded the Hanovers. The Hanovers, Queen Elizabeth II’s direct bloodline, mounted the British throne when the last Stuart monarch, Queen Anne died without a direct successor. Prince William is now preparing his future role as King by training in all branches of the British military. As of 2008 he is with the Royal Air Force, training as a pilot where he is known there as Flying Officer William Wales, next he is scheduled to join the Royal Navy. William will have more “Kingly training” compared to Prince Charles and is already exposed more to charities than his father. By 2010, according to reports from Buckingham Palace, William will join the Foreign Ministry office. After the death of his mother in 1997 and his great grandmother in 2002, he is now considered as the most beloved figure in the Kingdom and the most popular royal family member. His looks, that strongly resemble his mother, together with the Spencers [Stuart] gene add to his appeal and magic.

http://europeanroyalty.blogspot.com/2008_01_01_archive.html

[Princess Diana] I believe Wills can rebuild Camelot and I will be his Merlin. Together we will return to the chivalry, pageantry, and the glory that was King Arthur’s Court. William will remake the Monarchy by showing love, leadership and compassion.

Excerpt from the bestselling book Diana: Life of a Legend

Prince William could be a great leader…if he was informed by Arthurian symbolism

http://www.livingstonemusic.net/hangman.htm
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06/06/10 - 04:01 PM
AV Town Crier says...
Holly Blood—Holy Grail (revised) is a great book. There are several more tat deal with the same. it is scary, very scary. The future does NOT bold well for us mere mortals.

But, in the end, we are the ones responsible. We sat on our hands and did nothing. the signs have been around (at least since the final decades of the BC period).
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06/08/10 - 05:08 PM
Sovereignty Soldier says...
We were deceived. Our only fault was falling away from our Christian roots and placing our faith in men. Men of media and of politics. Media controls perception, politicians thirst for power, and bankers, well bankers control the money which pays for both the others.
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