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Sunday, June 03 2012 - 05:03 AM
Illegal Aliens
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“1. 40% of all workers in Los Angeles County (Los Angeles County has 10.2 million people) are working for cash and not paying taxes. This is because they are predominantly illegal aliens working without a green card.
2. 95% of warrants for murder in Los Angeles are for illegal aliens.
3. 75% of people on the most-wanted list in Los Angeles are illegal aliens.
4. Over 2/3 of all births in Los Angeles County are to illegal alien Mexicans on Medi-Cal, whose births were paid for by taxpayers.
5. Nearly 35% of all inmates in California detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally.
6. Over 300,000 illegal aliens in Los Angeles County are living in garages.
7. The FBI reports half of all gang members in Los Angeles are most likely illegal aliens from south of the border.
8. Nearly 60% of all occupants of HUD properties are illegal.
9. 21 radio stations in Los Angeles are Spanish speaking.
10. In Los Angeles County 5.1 million people speak English, 3.9 million speak Spanish.
(There are 10.2 million people in Los Angeles County .)
(All 10 of the above statements are from the Los Angeles Times)
Less than 2% of illegal aliens are picking our crops, but 29% are on welfare.
Over 70% of the United States’ annual population growth (and over 90% of California, Florida, and New York ) results from immigration.
29% of inmates in federal prisons are illegal aliens.
We are a bunch of fools for letting this continue!"
Cagy Wolf says...
A local television station, WTHR in Indianapolis, has continued its investigation into an income tax loophole that is allowing illegal aliens to receive massive refunds from the IRS at the expense of U.S. taxpayers. According to the report, illegal aliens are filing false returns, claiming their own children, nieces, and nephews who, in some cases, don’t even live in the United States to receive the additional child tax credit. The cost to taxpayers is $4.2 billion per year!
WTHR has a new details to the story featuring interviews with current IRS employees who say that the agency forces them to quickly process, with little scrutiny, applications for Individual Taxpayer Identification Numbers (ITIN), which are being used by illegal aliens to take advantage of the tax loophole.
The House of Representatives has already passed legislation to close this loophole, now the Senate needs to act. Please fax the Senate and ask them to pass the Child Tax Credit Integrity Preservation Act, S. 577, offered by Sens. David Vitter and Jeff Sessions. This legislation would require a valid Social Security numbers, instead of the ITIN, to receive the Additional Child Tax Credit.
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Cagy Wolf says...
Sens. Jerry Moran, Roy Blunt, Chris Coons, Marco Rubio, and Mark Warner have introduced S. 3217, the Startup Act 2.0. This bill would create 50,000 new STEM (science, technology, engineering, and mathematics) work visas for foreign students who graduate from a U.S. college with a master’s degree or a Ph.D each year. The foreign students automatically earn 1-year work visa upon graduation and earn an additional 4-years if they are “actively engaged” at the end of the first year. At the end of the 5 year period, the foreign workers will be able for legal permanent worker status.
The bill also creates a new visa program for 75,000 new immigrant “entrepreneurs” — individuals who already hold an H-1B visa or a STEM degree would be allowed 4 years to remain in the U.S. and operate a new business. During the first year, the immigrant entrepreneur must start a business that employs at least 2 full-time U.S. citizens or legal permanent residents and invest or raise at least $100,000 of capital. In years 2-4, the business must employ at least 5 Americans or legal permanent residents.
These new visa programs would increase foreign worker imports by 125,000 each year when more than 20 million Americans can’t find a full-time job and when millions of Americans are about to graduate from college.
Please send your Senators and ask them to oppose this legislation.
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Cagy Wolf says...
Sens. Lamar Alexander (R-Tenn.) and Chris Coons (D-Del.) have introduced S. 3192, the SMART Jobs Act. This bill would allow foreign nationals to study for master’s degrees and Ph.Ds. at American colleges and universities in STEM (science, technology, engineering, and mathematics) fields on non-immigrant visas. However, once these individuals graduate, they are free to compete against American workers for jobs and will receive a work permit once they find a job. The bill also creates a new class of visa, the F-4 visa.
These Senators clearly don’t care that 20 million Americans cannot find a full-time job, that 1.8 million Americans with engineering degrees can’t find a job, or that 12.2% of college graduates under 30 can’t find a job of any kind. Please send a fax to your U.S. Senators and urge them to oppose this legislation.
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Cybertariat says...
AVTC, as an individual who fancies himself to be both a writer and a reporter, why would you not have vetted the so-called facts that you listed within this thread’s parent post? I asked that question because, according to Snopes.com and TruthOrFiction.com, not to mention simple common sense, the Los Angeles Times did not report your “facts” 1-10 nor has any other credible publication reported them. Rather, they are a collection of half-truths, exaggerations and outright lies that were simply posted to the Internet in or around the year 2006 by a typically racist, retired cop out of San Diego. Journalistically speaking, these “facts” having to do with undocumented workers are utterly illegitimate. They also stand as testimony to the guile of the political right and to the simple-mindedness and gullibility of those who accept such nonsense as factual information. The Los Angeles Times indeed!
Speaking of the simpleminded and gullible, James, this thread’s second, third and forth comment posts are obvious plagiarisms. So, in the interest of journalistic integrity, would you please see to their being deleted?
Thank you, sir.
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roxi says...
Maybe AVTC can provide some links as to where these statements appeared in the LATimes.
Actually, these statements read like quotes from some of the letters penned & published in the AVPress -
As long as there is absolutely no compromise between governments, banks and the poor, who are considered common, or non-essential because they don’t contribute to the pot of {their} prosperity – there will be an “underground economy”.
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Cagy Wolf says...
Those comments cyberidiot speaks of comes from nubersusa.com and numbersusa checks its facts about illegal immigration. Also here is another site called immigrationcounters,com which also checks it facts. Cyberidiot as usual doesn’t know what he is talking about. The only thing cyberclown knows well is glory holes and the communist nonsense he sprouts on about, typical of lying socialists.
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AV Town Crier says...
I just re-posted it from an email that was sent to me. Thanks Guy for pointing out that it’s a phony. My bad. I will delete this entire thread later this afternoon.
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Martel says...
I have to agree or rather disagree ,I think you may be wrong but then again you could be right.So after researching to the point of being weary,I think you may of hit on something,then again maybe not.
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Cybertariat says...
Rather than deleting it, James, why not simply delete this thread’s plagiarisms and allow the balance of it to stand as a reminder of the right’s manipulative and thus lying ways?
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AV Town Crier says...
If one part of my post was in error, the credibility of the entire post is in question, as is my integrity. I accepted something sent to me as fact and posted it as such.
Perhaps at another time I will post a factual account of the cost of illegal immigration. I will delete within 15 minutes.
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marino says...
AVTC, don’t you dare delete anything here.
Don’t listen to this commie clown. He is not the site’s administrator.
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marino says...
Oh, and if you do delete this thread, AVTC, I will simply repost it.
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AV Town Crier says...
All right, I’ll leave it. But I disavow any inaccuracies due to my lack of due diligence.
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marino says...
Cybertariat doesn’t care the disproportionate destruction that illegal aliens cause, the murders, assualts, crime, financial expense, jobs taken from Americans by companies that knowingly and unknowingly hire illegals, and our unemployment rate.
You, Marsh, don’t give a shit about plagiarism, for if AVTC wrote something pro-Marxist, pro-bisexual, pro-commie, you wouldn’t say shit, you hypocrite clown.
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marino says...
AVTC,
Why not have Cybertariat, this site’s biggest hypocrite bullshitter, prove your post incorrect?
He never proves his rambling is truthful.
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roxi says...
The largest percentage of hypocritical bullshitters are the one’s who whine about the ‘stats’ they see on numbers.com and others, yet support and vote for the Party that votes NO on every solution presented to them that could change these #’s.
Whining and complaining and doing nothing about the problems that they whine and complain and do nothing about, they think is much more effective than actually making a decision and doing something about it.
“I stand by what I said, whatever it was” —Mutt Robme
kudos to Martel —
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marino says...
yeah, roxi. Just stick with Obama and illegal aliens. He’ll need all the votes he can get.
You bitch about Republicans and never say anything negative about Obama. Speaking of hypocrites.
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marino says...
“Whining and complaining and doing nothing about the problems…” — roxi.
I’ve attended meetings and gone to rally’s in re. to illegal immigration. I’ve said we need to fine employers that hire illegals, secure the border, and deport.
You’re talking nonsense again, roxi. Obama can do no wrong.
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AV Town Crier says...
My point in posting, was to show problems that illegal immigration causes and why congress needs to address the issue. it can (and should) be addressed humanely. Like it or not, there are still jobs that Americans will simply NOT do. So we need immigrants to do them. I’m sure those types of jobs will change as the economy changes. That should be addressed in an update of our immigration laws. We should have some form of guest worker program where these ‘workers’ can be vetted to be sure they are NOT criminals and if they do not commit crimes, that could serve to help them become legal aliens and possible naturalized citizens.
The fact of the matter is that not ALL aliens are bad (legal or otherwise). We need to weed out the bad. ALL civilized countries have some form of immigration. That’s just being humane.
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marino says...
All civilized countries have some form of legal immigration.
We have more illegal immigration than ANY country. It’s out of control.
Not all illegal aliens are bad, even though they have all broken our immigration laws.
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marino says...
What have you done re. ii, roxi? I think every American should pull their weight and pitch in re. this issue. That or get out of the way.
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Ray Cunneff says...
What does that mean, “get out of the way”? Leave? Die?
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roxi says...
Starve the Poor
“…The Senate is expected to begin debate this week on a five-year farm and food aid bill that would save $9.3 billion by ending direct payments to farmers and replacing them with subsidized insurance programs for when the weather turns bad or prices go south.
The details are still to be worked out. But there’s rare agreement that fixed annual subsidies of $5 billion a year for farmers are no longer feasible in this age of tight budgets and when farmers in general are enjoying record prosperity.
About 80 percent of the bill’s half-trillion-dollar cost over the next five years represents nutrition programs, primarily food stamps now going to some 46 million people. About $100 billion would be devoted to crop subsidies and other farm programs.
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JIM ABRAMS
From Associated Press
June 03, 2012 10:04 AM EDT
So, Congress is on track to cut subsidies to Farmers, the one’s who are paid NOT to grow crops (Look out Michelle Bachmann), but 80% of the cuts will actually be to end food stamps in the middle of a double-dip recession.
Brilliant. All those ‘illegals’ thou dost protest who would work on the farms to pick your veggies just got another pay-cut. Farmers who will no longer be able to exist, or pay the TAXES on their properties will of course have to sell – most likely to Big Ag corporations.
Happy now?
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AV Town Crier says...
Roxi
If congress had it’s way—it would be legal to eat the poor. On the plus side, it does solve the problem.
Sadly, it doesn’t matter what legislators try to do about the economy—it won’t be pretty. Whether it’s the farmers, the poor, whomever, somebody (or everybody) is gonna get screwed over the next few years. It doesn’t matter right now who was at fault, that ship set sail. We can do an autopsy on the whole thing and assess blame later, when all this is behind us. Right, now the fucking ship is sinking and nobody really has a solid plan.
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Ray Cunneff says...
06/03/12 – 06:52 PM
marino says…
What does it typically mean, Ray?
You tell me.
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marino says...
I don’t think Romney is the fix, but Obama thru 4 years has done worse than nothing, so it’s time for a change.
I won’t go as far as Mike(SS) does, yet, but I lean that way on a daily basis.
One thing for sure. For someone to want to re-elect Obama in 2012, for strictly for politicial reasons and not because he’s half black, you’ve got to have a loose screw. I reccomend lock-tite.
But then, maybe you want more government handout. Another poor reason.
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Cagy Wolf says...
AVTC after researching the immigration problem this nation has, those figures you posted on this thread is right on the mark. But I will say this Fox News quoted some figures that can be checked, according to Fox News it costs america 113 billion dollars (welfare, foodstamps, education, low income housing)just for benefits for illegal aliens. Then factor in the 138,000 legal immigrants every month and you can see why 25 million americans are unemployed. Los Angeles county alone spends one billion dollars proving welfare and other benefits for illegal aliens and their anchor babies every year. AVTC americans do want the jobs and there is no jobs americans won’t do or have done, I know this for a fact. There are some americans who would just stay on welfare than work and the only exception I can think of is picking fruits etc etc that americans might not do.
Marino like Martel and myself have all gone to protests and rallies against illegal immigration. This is one of the biggest dangers facing america if not something is done. Cyberidiot is just flapping his piehole about something he knows little of or about.
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marino says...
.“Cybertariat is just flapping his piehole about something he knows little about.” — CW.
He knows plenty about it, Larry. He’s just on the wrong side and part of a large obstical to the well being of our citizens and country. Commie, union, illegal alien comradary.
Then you have ignorant Obama supporters with their nonsense.
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marino says...
Cybertariat: “…as a reminder of the right’s manipulative and thus lying ways.”
You, Guy Marsh, as most commies do, are likely the biggest liar here, and often deceitful.
I remember a few years back when this site had some type of political survey. Ray pointed out that you voted in the survey something like 69 times. Then you said you voted that many times to show how the survey can be manipulated. But you didn’t mention to anyone prior to the survey, or before Ray called you on it. You were never going to admit to it.
But it’s not just Guy. A high percentage of commies have been liars for a long time. The same goes for socialists and progressives. Dime a dozen. Now the clown doesn’t like AVTC’s post, so he questions it’s validity.
Oh, the horror.
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AV Town Crier says...
Marino
You are right. But, let’s be clear, the right-wing conservatives, capitalist, and globalists have filled our heads with their fair share of propaganda.
What is lacking (from either side) is some plane fucking truth. When, as a society, did we start accepting less?
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marino says...
Agreed, AVTC. That’s why I would have no issue with removing everyone in charge and replacing them with hard working proven successful Americans. Not lifelong politicians or some community organizing clowns.
But all you’ll see is more Obama’s and Romney’s until the next revolution. Until then when these assholes come around defending illegal immigration and other damaging decisions, I’ll call them on it.
Makes no sense to have a some commie make looney suggestions. Yes, freedom of speach. And I have freedom to respond to their manure.
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roxi says...
@marino: And who are the hard-working Americans you speak of – who are wealthy enough to run a campaign against the Millionaires and Billionaires, not only from this country, but from all over the world? Knowing that our elections are now bought, do you really believe that you, as an individual could vote for Joe the Plummer and he actually win?
And if the only answers you can come up with are personal attacks, I will know you’re blowin’ it out your butt.
06/03/12 – 07:01 PM
AV Town Crier says…
Roxi
If congress had it’s way—it would be legal to eat the poor. On the plus side, it does solve the problem.
It’s not only the current ‘poor’ AVTC, it’s the future ‘poor’, who include a majority of what was the middle-class. It also will be the elderly, if Ryan’s Kill Americans tax plan goes through, as they will be ‘put on vouchers’, and forced to pay for most of their medical care – care they have already PAID into, over the years of working and contributing to the funds.
And if they can’t pay? Will they be forced into debtors prisons?
Are we prepared to WAIT until that happens, and then do something about it?
The GOP has been waiting with bated breath since the Reagan years for “The Greatest Generation” to die off. People who’s SS payments soared during Reagan, who PAID for their parent’s stellar A+ care, are now being told that guess what…..our DEREGULATION of the banks, etc didn’t work – so YOU don’t get to work either, and btw – we’re taking that Social Security and Medicare Funds you paid into – It’s ours now – please, die soon.
So, you see, it does matter what happens in the next 4 years – and who’s on YOUR side, and who’s on the one’s who have benefitted the most —
You know - “The Job Creators”
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Cagy Wolf says...
Roxi there would be more money to help americans if we didn’ have so many immigrants legal and illegal being parasites.You might want to think about that some. I’ve long said neither party will do anything about the illegal immigrants until a loved one of some congressman is killed or raped.
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AV Town Crier says...
CW
Actually, all our senseless wars are what is really costing us. I think the illegals can be dealt with if congress would just grow a pair.
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roxi says...
06/04/12 – 01:09 AM
Cagy Wolf says…
I’ve long said neither party will do anything about the illegal immigrants until a loved one of some congressman is killed or raped.
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That’s already happened, CW – Gabriella Giffords (D) in AZ.
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Cagy Wolf says...
Roxi,Gabriella Gifford is not dead nor was she raped. And she was shot by a liberal lunatic, its statements like this you make that totally shows that you are out of touch with reality like Cyberidiot. While its true both parties have screwed americans and neither party for its own reasons will do nothing about legal and illegal immigration, its the duty of every america to force congress and the senate to enact laws to protect americans lives and jobs. Now Chandra Levy mistress to a congressman was raped and murdered by an illegal alien. 48,000 dead americans since 9/11 2001 is no joke and is a fact. 25 to 35 americans are killed daily by illegal aliens, that statistic I haven’t been able to find but it does sound correct, we only hear about the high profile deaths at the hands of illegal aliens.
Islam and immigration is the two biggest dangers to this nation and if left unchecked will cause our children to wonder what happened to america.
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Cagy Wolf says...
AVTC congress will never grow a pair and only a few GOPs and even fewer democrazies are attempting to do anything about illegal immigration.
But look at the statistics you put on this thread, it shows how bad the situation really is. Virtually every neighborhood I lived in as a kid is now hispanic with gangs roaming the streets and committing crimes against americans.
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roxi says...
Gabriella Giffords’ may as well be dead, she’s lost her career and her quality of life —for life.
I believe our children are already wondering what has happened to America, since they cannot get decent good paying jobs, cannot get on with their lives, start families, etc because they have enormous debts from college loans, some as big as house payments – so they have no house, no job – no ‘American Dream’.
Your prejudiced argument is as old as the hills, go watch “Gangs of NY”.
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marino says...
This illegal alien Mexican was recently sentenced to death for the dispicable cowardly murder of Jamiel Shaw. Mayor Antonio Villaragosa is also responsible for Jamiel Shaw’s death for allowing this repeat criminal to stay in the states and avoid deportation.
Cagy Wolf says...
Roxi kids can’t get jobs because illegal aliens take every god damn one of them. You are broke and twisted in the mind.
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Martel says...
Cagy it is funny that my 16 year old Grandaughter decided she wanted to work part time during the summer,and after a week or so she got a nice part time job working for 9 dollars an hour.My point is there is plenty of jobs available for those who want to work.Larry we have created a very very lazy bunch of young adults.Look at the size of these kids fat out of shape and spoiled to the core.illegals take some jobs but you exaggerate the point.Illegals dont take all the jobs that is a cop out.
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Martel says...
AlsoI will add all the kids in my family are required to work during the summer in spite of there parents financial status,and all are working.
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avbornbred says...
I thought Sarah Palin shot Giffords. That is what the Libs said.
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AV Town Crier says...
I thought J. R. Ewing did it. Maybe, it was just a dream.
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Cybertariat says...
My one and only point with respect to undocumented immigration remains the fact that it – undocumented immigration – will continue on for as long as the now wholly antisocial capitalist system continues on; that some undocumented workers will continue to engage in criminal activities (though not disproportionately to their numbers); and that, amongst other such issues, undocumented immigration will remain a part of that which drives down wages (the inherent economic contradictions of capitalism itself being the driving force behind the constant downward pressure upon wages).
I do not hold a fetish for undocumented immigration any more than what I loath it. In fact, to me, it is simply distressing to know that each year millions of human beings are compelled by the very real possibility of starvation to leave their loved ones behind and to make a very dangerous journey to a land in which they are heavily exploited and largely unwelcome. I’m certain that the vast majority of the undocumented would much prefer to stay in their native lands. But the simple fact of the matter is that, given the economic realities of globalization – of capitalism being in its global and, yes, final stage, ten of millions of poorer members of the world’s working class have no other choice than to “follow the money.” In the case of Mexican immigrants, millions upon millions have been economically forced from Mexico as a result of the North American Free Trade Agreement and other such international trade agreements that have seen to the rapid acceleration of poverty in Mexico throughout the past twenty years.
Ergo, undocumented immigration will carry on unabated and as needed for as long as capitalism exists, regardless of immigration laws and despite the efforts of typically knuckle-dragging racists the likes of the retired cop who in 2006 launched the urban legends that serve as this thread’s parent post. Such people are really no different than than the many and highly unintelligent individuals who one-hundred years ago or so allowed themselves to be conditioned into casting blame for the woes of their time upon Irish, Italian and Eastern European immigrants. Ignoramuses all – then and now!
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AV Town Crier says...
Guy
i think every nation that is doing better than their neighbor has legal and illegal workers crossing their borders. It’s happening in Europe and will continue (like you said) here, as well.
i think we just need to better manage the situation.
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avbornbred says...
Cyberdude: how is illegal immigration a problem created by Capitalism?
Most Capitalist or economic conservatives and want tax breaks and less regulations, as evident by the exodus of big business from California. It is the liberal movement that pushes for illegal immigration by providing the benefits many recieve. The Occupy chuds want the illegals because they work the jobs Occupy won’t.
As usual, you are placing the blame on one specific group, the Capitalist, when there is a complete breakdown with immigration.
Don’t forget, employers are fined if they question immigration status when hiring. Employers also get fined if they hire illegals. A major Catch 22.
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Martel says...
Avtown,Maybe cheap labor with no benefits and abusive work conditions which Capitolists love contributes to illegal immigration.If illegals were not hired they would stay home.I think we should jail employers of big companys who hire workers that are here illegally.But because of the money they give to politicians you will probably not see a bill that truly deals with illegal immigration.
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highground says...
Crier
The FBI issued a set of statistics regarding crimes committed by Illegal Aliens in the United States. In the FBI issued statement it was stated that 95% of warrants issued for the crime of murder are for illegal aliens, in Los Angels. It further stated that 83% of arrest warrants for murder in Phoenix are for Illegal Aliens.
Many publications and other news service throughout the USA published the FBI report.
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Martel says...
By the way most poultry workers in the south today are here illegally,My childhood friend has been with a big maybe the biggest processing plant as a supervisor has told me they hire mostly illegals,you guessed it they save tons of money.Long work days no benefits and if they complain they are fired.
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AV Town Crier says...
Martel
That IS the issue. regulate industries that hire illegals. But I still feel a guest worker program is in order. But regulated.
Damn, now I’m sounding like a liberal. Just call me Roxi Jr.
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highground says...
Crier
A well regualted “guest worker” program has existed since 1942. The “guest worker” is required to have their green card with them at ALL times and SHOW It when demanded.
Only the liberals have a problem understanding the meaning of ILLEGAL.
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avbornbred says...
Martel: So what you saying is big corporations would use illegals rather than use qualified educated workers! There could be some truth to what you said. It does not take a rocket scientist to know an illegal when one applies for a yob. If an employer asked an Hispanic American their legal status,pow, a discrimination law suit waiting to happen. So employers don’t ask. If a person chooses to work a job at a certain pay scale, who is at fault? That is not forced labor. Why should a company be forced to provide medical? Why is it the employers responsibilty when it could be an option. If the Occupy clods don’t want low paying jobs, illegals are scooping them up.
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avbornbred says...
I agree about punishing businesses who hire illegals. But make it easier to check immigration status so if there are violations, Catch 22 won’t be a factor.
People have to undetstand not all jobs pay $25 an hour. A lot of jobs are $8.25 an hour jobs, not good enough for Occupy!
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Martel says...
Point is we are talking abot the illegal problem employers dont help they add to it.
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Cagy Wolf says...
Illegals do take a majority of jobs, according to Time magazine a few years ago, construction jobs (that pay good) were 67% nationally and in california the rate was close to 97%. National Geographic did a slanted story which favored the “poor illegal aliens” talked about how many there were and that was I believe ten years or so ago, I have that issue and will look for it. But the fact remains the cost of legal and illegal immigration is bankrupting america and pushing our own children out of schools and neighborhoods.Employers should be fined, put in jail and their business license taken if they continue to hire illegal aliens as workers. Illegal aliens commit far out of proportion for how many that are here,as stated by the FBI report. And every year that nothing is done gets us closer to being doomed as a nation and people. Immigration is killing americans economically and criminally.
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Cagy Wolf says...
I agree with you on some issues about immigration , but there are plenty of high school and college kids needing jobs and they do work. I know they had a federal work study for kids in college last time I went. The reason for it cause illegals dominated the low income jobs that americans not only wanted but needed.
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Cagy Wolf says...
Roxi you go after both big and small employers who hired illegal aliens,its the legal immigrants taking the high paying high skilled jobs.And with anchor babies getting paid to go to college they too will take the highly skilled and high paying jobs. Its a circle that needs to be broken and it needed doing 50 years ago.
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roxi says...
Not so, CW. You know a lot about the different kinds of Visas now being offered in this country, and the foreign corporations want MORE, as they’ve learned to corrupt our system of checks & balances, much like what happened in Europe. Greece ran up a huge debt because they didn’t TAX the corporations who were feeding off their economy.
Same thing is happening here.
When ALL do not pay their FAIR SHARE of taxes, and the GOP demands that our Gov’t shrink by not hiring legitimate contractors to keep this country going – it’s only a matter of time before the entire scheme collapses.
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Cagy Wolf says...
Roxi, I am well aware that big business is demanding more high skilled immigrants to fill jobs. This has been going on a long time and legal immigrants get low interest loans from the government in grants to start up businesses. The immigrants have a hold on all jobs and it gets worse everyday. It needs to stop and help our own people and not the immigrants legal and illegal. Until the problem is fixed more and more american families will be homeless and unemloyed. Both political parties have done little to solve the problem and the problem grows worse with each day and each anchor baby born in the USA.
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roxi says...
Why does Hollywood film overseas? Because they covet the landscapes or infrastructure? No, because they don’t have to pay Union wages over there, like here in the U.S. and some parts of Canada.
It’s all about the money. Utilizing local Talent and Patriotism towards one’s country, be damned. We’re not talking Protectionism here – but just what are those people who were qualified to work in the studios doing now?
They’d rather go over to India and train people, & then hire them dirt cheap – rather than hire people in LA who already know the software. Trouble is, places like India are now establishing a middle-class, and are demanding the very wages Americans use to get. So, they move on to Columbia, right? Just pass another N/CAFTA bill and every thing’s ducky.
We’re training foreign doctors here by the 1,000’s, so in turn, hospitals cry that they can’t find any native-born Americans, so they hire the foreigners – for less $$.
IF this is the deal, that for our workers to excel they must move to a foreign country, then the Gov’t should sponsor Americans – just like the foreign countries are doing for their citizens. I cannot tell you how many Asians, Arabs & Columbians are over here now, sponsored to witness the “American Experience”.
The MX’s, much like the CEO’s of corrupt corporations and Wall St. have figured out how to work the system.
It has become human nature for people to emulate what’s accepted, and no longer a CRIME. The fact that NONE of these CEO’s have been prosecuted for stealing our money, sets the example for all who are only here for the $$ – “take what you want, even if it’s not yours.”
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As per your comment on student loans; While I may empathize with them, like any loan, they took the loan—it was not forced upon them. It’s up to them to live up to the agreements they made.
Sadly, they can’t go BK Chapter 7 on those loans.
As for the over all problem, I think we’ve hit upon the issue. It’s more than immigration (legal or otherwise). Certainly human nature will play a roll in it. People will go where the jobs are. Borders don’t mean anything when you’re hungry.
But, you have the capitalistic greed that feeds this, the bought and paid for congress, labor unions, and the globalist.
Short of armed insurrection and a total over throw of our corrupt govt, and lynching of CEO’s of corrupt greedy companies, how do you resolve this? We-the people have lost our voice. Congress does not and will not recognize and work for we-the people.
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Cagy Wolf says...
AVTC there is no borders that americans can cross to find employment and better pay that is what everyone fails to realize. We either help our own people first or allow those that break our laws have continued benefits and help americans aren’t getting.
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Roxi your telling me about foreign doctors which make up the majority of doctors at the VA and as a result american veterans receive worse medical care than ever. Every seat taken by a immigrant in an american university is one less seat filled by a american.
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From TIME MAGAZINE:
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The next time you pass through an airport and have to produce a photo ID to establish who you are and then must remove your shoes, take off your belt, empty your pockets, prove your laptop is not an explosive device and send your briefcase or purse through a machine to determine whether it holds weapons, think about this: In a single day, more than 4,000 illegal aliens will walk across the busiest unlawful gateway into the U.S., the 375-mile border between Arizona and Mexico. No searches for weapons. No shoe removal. No photo-ID checks. Before long, many will obtain phony identification papers, including bogus Social Security numbers, to conceal their true identities and mask their unlawful presence.
The influx is so great, the invaders seemingly trip over one another as they walk through the old copper-mining town turned artist colony of Bisbee (pop. 6,000), five miles from the border. Having eluded the U.S. border patrol, they arrive in small groups of three or four, larger contingents of more than a dozen and sometimes packs of a hundred. Worried citizens who spot them keep the Bisbee police officers and Cochise County sheriff’s deputies busy tracking down all the trespassing aliens. At night as many as 100 will take over a vacant house. Some crowd into motel rooms, even storage-compartment rental units. During the day, they congregate on school playgrounds, roam through backyards and pass in and out of apartment buildings. Some assemble at the Burger King, waiting for their assigned drivers to appear. Sometimes stolen cars are waiting for them, keys on the floor. But most continue walking to designated pickup points beyond Bisbee, where they will ride in thousands of stolen vehicles, often with the seats ripped out to accommodate more human cargo, on the next leg of their journey to big cities and small towns from California to North Carolina.
The U.S.‘s borders, rather than becoming more secure since 9/11, have grown even more porous. And the trend has accelerated in the past year. It’s fair to estimate, based on a TIME investigation, that the number of illegal aliens flooding into the U.S. this year will total 3 million—enough to fill 22,000 Boeing 737-700 airliners, or 60 flights every day for a year. It will be the largest wave since 2001 and roughly triple the number of immigrants who will come to the U.S. by legal means. (No one knows how many illegals are living in the U.S., but estimates run as high as 15 million.)
Read more: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,995145,00.html#ixzz1wslWwTh1
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FROM FAIR:
Florida Republican Introduces New DREAM Act
After months of touting a proposal without producing any language, freshman Rep. David Rivera (R-FL) introduced his own version of the DREAM Act last week.
Rep. Rivera’s “Studying Towards Adjusted Residency Act” (STARS) Act, H.R. 5869 — like previous versions of the DREAM Act — grants amnesty to illegal alien minors. (Washington Times, May 30, 2012) H.R. 5869 accomplishes this by first granting “conditional” nonimmigrant status to illegal alien minors up to the age of 19 who have:
1.entered the U.S. before the age of 16,
2.lived in the U.S. for five years upon enactment,
3.attained high school diploma or GED, and
4.been accepted to an accredited four-year institution of higher education.
(See H.R. 5869 at § 4) While the STARS Act imposes these requirements, the legislation has no requirements regarding the type of documentation an illegal alien needs to establish eligibility and only requires that the alien establish eligibility by a preponderance of the evidence — the lowest evidentiary standard. (Id.) With such details left to the Department of Homeland Security to administer, fraud is likely.
Once granted the initial five-year conditional nonimmigrant status, an illegal alien is on the path to citizenship. Specifically, under the bill the DHS Secretary shall extend the conditional nonimmigrant status for an additional five –year period if, in addition to the above criteria, the alien graduates from a four-year institution of higher education. (Id. at § 5) Three years after such extension, aliens are then eligible to apply for a green card and citizenship five years thereafter. (Id. at §§ 5-6)
Although proponents of the bill claim it contains strict criteria for eligibility, in reality the legislation contains several loopholes. First, while the bill appears to prohibit the granting of conditional nonimmigrant status to aliens meeting certain grounds of inadmissibility or deportability, it in fact provides the Secretary of the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) the authority to waive most of these (including grounds of inadmissibility or deportability based on student visa abuse and being a public charge). (Id. at § 4) Second, an illegal alien can be convicted of up to two misdemeanors and still be eligible for the amnesty. (Id.) Third, so long as an illegal alien files an application for conditional nonimmigrant status and appears on his or her face to meet the criteria, DHS cannot deport them FOR ANY REASON WHATSOEVER. (Id.) Finally, the bill also counts time spent as a conditional nonimmigrant toward the five-year period green card holders must wait to receive certain taxpayer-funded benefits, thus allowing them to apply for such benefits immediately upon being granted legal permanent residency. (Id. at § 11)
True immigration reformers in the House are already taking a stand against Rep. Rivera’s latest version of the DREAM Act. The day after the bill was introduced, Rep. Steve King (R-IA) released the following statement: “The immigration laws of this country have been ignored by millions of illegal aliens,” he said. “I don’t believe in rewarding lawbreakers with a path to citizenship…The Rule of Law is a much higher priority.” (Rep. King Press Release, May 31, 2012)
Another Florida Republican lawmaker, first-term Sen. Marco Rubio, has also promised to introduce his own version of the DREAM Act this summer. While an aide for Rep. Rivera has stated the Congressman and Sen. Rubio have spoken to one another about their proposals, it is unclear how similar the two are or when Sen. Rubio will decide to introduce his legislation. (The Hill, May 30, 2012)
Rivera Bill Aims to Stop Cuban Border-Hoppers
In an effort to end abuse of U.S. asylum policy by Cuban nationals, Rep. David Rivera (R-FL) has introduced legislation to amend the Cuban Adjustment Act.
Originally passed in 1966, Congress created the Cuban Adjustment Act as a tool to grant asylum to Cuban citizens oppressed by their country’s Communist dictatorship. (See Public Law 89-732) Under this law, Cubans who come to the U.S. are allowed to apply for permanent resident status one year after arrival. (Id.) The provisions granted by the Act can be extended to the asylum-seeker’s spouse and children as well. (Id.) In fact, since 1981, over half a million Cubans have been granted green cards as a result of this policy. (See Congressional Research Service Report, 2009; see also Miami Herald, May 31, 2012)
Several Members of Congress, including Rep. Rivera, argue that Cuban immigrants who come to the U.S. under the pretext of seeking asylum are actually coming to the country to sign up for public benefits, then return to Cuba to spend the money there. (CQToday, May 31, 2012) In other words, they are entering the U.S. for economic opportunity, rather than escaping oppression. (See FAIR Report on Refugee and Asylum Policy Reform, 2010) In addition to the enormous burden this poses to American taxpayers, this abuse also lends financial stability to the Cuban economy, and by extension, the Castro regime. (CQToday, May 31, 2012)
To put an end to this exploitation of U.S. immigration policy, Rep. Rivera’s bill (H.R. 2831) amends the 1966 Cuban Adjustment Act by rescinding “the [permanent resident] status of an alien…if the alien returns to Cuba before being admitted to citizenship.” (See H.R. 2831 at § 1)
The House Judiciary Subcommittee on Immigration Policy and Enforcement held a hearing on Rep. Rivera’s bill last Thursday. According to Subcommittee Chair Elton Gallegly (R-CA), travel from Cuba to the U.S. “has tripled, with most of the increase coming as a result of travelers taking multiple trips per year. As a result, visiting Cuban-Americans have become one of the Castro regime’s top sources of revenue.” (Rep. Gallegly Opening Statement, May 31, 2012)
Rep. Rivera explained the need for his bill at the hearing. “[I]t has become a common occurrence for Cubans to seek political asylum…and after a year and a day immediately and repeatedly travel back to the persecuting country,” he stated. (See Rep. Rivera Testimony, May 31, 2012) “Cuban-Americans are citing family reunification to justify travel that in reality more closely resembles common tourism and other unauthorized travel involving everything from plastic surgery…to weddings, to even sex tourism.” (Id.) Calling the abuse of the system “outright fraud,” Rivera underscored the need to revoke privileges from Cubans who manipulate the system, and protect American taxpayers from abuse of social welfare programs. (Id.)
The House Judiciary Committee has not yet scheduled a mark-up of the bill.
Sens. Leahy, Grassley Seek to Permanently Authorize Immigration Programs
Last week, Senate Judiciary Chairman Pat Leahy (D-VT) and Ranking Member Chuck Grassley (R-IA) introduced legislation that would permanently authorize four immigration programs (S. 3245). The programs include E-Verify, the EB-5 immigrant visa, the “Conrad 30” J-1 program, and the Religious Worker immigrant visa. In the past, Congress has granted all four programs temporary extensions, and all are set to expire at the end of this fiscal year (September 30, 2012).
While true immigration reformers are familiar with the highly effective E-Verify program, the other three programs included in S.3245 are less commonly known. They are also more controversial because of significant deficiencies in oversight and fraud.
The EB-5 immigrant visa program grants nearly 10,000 green cards each year to aliens who invest $500,000 to $1 million in a “new commercial enterprise” that will benefit the U.S. economy and create at least 10 jobs. (INA § 203(b)(5)) While supporters of the program claim this program benefits the U.S. economy, critics have pointed out that the program has in fact only limited effectiveness. For example, in 2005, the GAO found that after 12 years the EB-5 program had only led to $1 billion in investments (instead of the predicted $48 billion) and there was no reliable accounting of jobs created. (See Selling America Short: The Failure of the EB-5 Visa Program, p.1) Moreover, the program measures job creation by counting jobs created both “directly” and “indirectly,” making it impossible to accurately calculate whether an investment under the EB-5 program actually creates jobs. (See 8 C.F.R. § 204.6(e))
The Religious Worker immigrant visa program allows aliens who meet certain conditions to obtain green cards to work either as a minister or as a non-minister in a religious organization. (INA § 101(a)(27)©) Approximately 10,000 employment-based visas are set aside each year for this program, of which 5,000 are set aside for non-minister immigrants. (INA § 203(b)(4)) The Religious Worker immigrant visa program, however, has been criticized for not requiring organizations to establish need for such immigrant workers and rampant fraud in applications. In 2005, the USCIS Office of Fraud Detection and National Security found the program had a stunning 33 percent fraud rate. (OIG-09-79, July 2009, p.1) Yet some religious institutions insist that the program alleviates an “acute shortage of non‐minister religious workers in the United States.” (United States Conference of Catholic Bishops website) While subsequent regulations have helped reduce the fraud, serious doubts remain as to whether the program truly meets a need among religious organizations.
The “Conrad 30” J-1 program allows aliens who are trained as doctors at U.S. universities to stay in the U.S. after their medical training under certain circumstances. (INA § 214(l); USCIS website) Generally, the J-1 program — which allows aliens to train as doctors in the U.S. — requires such doctors return home for at least two years before returning to the U.S. as a nonimmigrant or immigrant. (INA §212(e)) The Conrad 30 J-1 program, however, waives the home residency requirement for doctors who work in certain rural areas. The “30” designation refers to the number of J-1 doctors each state may sponsor for a waiver of the home residency requirement. As a result, not only does the Conrad 30 program displace U.S. doctors, but it also deprives developing countries of much-needed medical care providers (referred to as “brain drain”) by waiving the requirement aliens return to their home country. (New York Times, Mar. 7, 2012)
Although S. 3245 was introduced by two powerful, senior members of the Senate, it is unclear at this point whether the legislation will move forward. Some Senators have voiced a preference for a temporary re-authorization of these four programs instead to help ensure that needed reforms will be adopted and implemented. The FY2013 Senate Homeland Security Appropriations bill includes a two-year temporary extension of the four programs, whereas the FY2013 House Homeland Security Appropriations Bill includes a one-year re-authorization of the E-Verify program only. (S. 3216 at § 554; H.R. 5855 at § 548) Stay tuned to FAIR for updates on where these pieces of legislation stand…
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AV Town Crier says…
Roxi
As per your comment on student loans; While I may empathize with them, like any loan, they took the loan—it was not forced upon them. It’s up to them to live up to the agreements they made.
Sadly, they can’t go BK Chapter 7 on those loans.
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Right, they can’t file bankruptcy and get out of these student loans, as they were set up by the banks acting as the middle-men, with extremely high-interest rates and tons of small print keeping the banks ‘safe & harmless’.
One of the first things Obama did when he went into office was to end this assault on student loans. No wonder they hate him on Wall St.
We’re talking about people who invested in their education, not some fast car, or wide-screen tv. We’re talking about people who benefited intellectually from their investment by expanding their minds, with the ambition to excel in their chosen field, and be financially independent of any ‘government handouts’, as the GOP calls it.
At one time, we were the envy of the world with our educated population, beginning after WWII with the G.I. Bill. Thousands of men & woman coming home from the front saw the importance of this opportunity and became Engineers, Scientists, Doctors etc who shaped our society to where we were putting men on the moon, developing today’s internet with GOVERNMENT grants— btw, built the Hoover Dam and 1,000’s of miles of x-country Interstate highway system for commerce — which is now being allowed to crumble before our eyes.
George Miller, D-CA said today that the GOP is deliberately sabotaging ANY initiatives that might bring jobs to American workers – just so Obama doesn’t look ‘good’. He said that if the GOP had approved O’s Transportation Bill, there would be 1,000’s of construction people working in CA today.
This assault on education via “No Child Left Behind”, which has now been in effect for 12 years has denied a solid PUBLIC education for an entire generation. They only know how to take tests – nothing else. By focusing on only the final grade on a test, these people never learned how to think on their own. Many were never encouraged to ask questions, and then look for the answer on their own. Instead they were told only answers, never taught to question – anything.
The entire program is set up for the Public Schools to fail, and the PRIVATE Charters to take over. Anybody notice that the Charters DO NOT have “No Child” in their list of study?
Education would become just a screwed up as our For-Profit Health Care system is now, complete with ‘gate keepers’ to determine who ‘gets to learn’ and who doesn’t. Public Schools are required to admit EVERYONE, of all faiths, background and ethnicity.
People who are stuck with student loans, and cannot find jobs to pay for those loans is just the beginning.
The plan is to separate those who can afford to be educated from those who cannot.
After all, an informed citizenry is a FREE population.
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Cagy Wolf says...
Roxi as long as foreign can afford to enter our universities and our own children can’t then americans will be displaced from schools, neighborhoods and employment. America is in the same situation the Roman Empire was before it fell.
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CW
You nailed it. That is the sad truth.
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Cagy Wolf says...
AVTC its sad to watch and understand what is going on, I’d rather have stayed stupid about politics. I hated politics and politicians. Politicians helped destroy this nation by being traitors. They could do like Ike did and get rid of the illegal immigration, instead they allow it and import more workers from other countries displacing more americans and keeping americans unemployed.
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Cagy Wolf says...
I believe now more than ever that another revolution is needed but no revolution is without bloodshed and innocents being hurt also. And from what I see with a few exceptions is the same kind of politicians being elected where they do more harm than good. They are more concerned with being politically correct and in helping those here illegally than americans.
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avbornbred: “Cyberdude…?”
Once again, here’s a thought; pretend that I am interested in interacting with those who are so very immature that they cannot see their way to respecting my username?
Good day.
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CW
I agree, but human nature being what it is, how long after the revolution until we’re right back here with the same issues, a few years, or even months?
What we need is some holocaust (of biblical proportions) that wipe the earth of most of us two-legged types. The survivors could start over. But if you do NOT want greed to destroy society you have to do away with it. This is where I agree with Guy, a truly socialistic system could be developed. With everyone contributing what they are good at. The society setting goals that benefit all.
Those capitalists who feel they deserve more because they work harder, won’t fly. In a perfect socialistic society you would get everything you needed and more. ALL would be happy.
You wouldn’t have these giant cities and states, but smaller manageable size communities with a set number of citizens that could live there. Once that number is reached, a new community would be formed.
You wouldn’t have to worry about illegals. You just worry about your community.
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Cagy Wolf says...
AVTC you are correct most replacement forms of governments after an revoluntion almost always is worse than the one before it. Good example is Cuba after Castro took over, thousands died at his hands, thousands more jailed and thousands starved due to castro’s marxist idealistic folly.
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Cagy Wolf says...
Yes not only are the taxpayers fools but our leaders who allow this to continue are short sighted fools and traitors.
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